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anon-461r
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 Posted: Mon, May 20 2019, 8:46 am EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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| It’s really time for Cranbury to switch to non-partisan. No party affiliations. Allegiances to parties have muddied the waters. This is ridiculous. The level of cruelty and vitriolic hatred is out of control. |
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anon-4265
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| Posted: Mon, May 20 2019, 8:59 am EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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I agree that cruelty is insane. However, nonpartisan elections don’t solve the issue. Indivisible would still exist. The candidates would still be run based on their national views and representing only one view.
Perhaps though it is time to elect a Mayor. |
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anon-r5qq
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| Posted: Mon, May 20 2019, 11:57 am EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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| TRUMP 2020 |
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Mud-slinging & c-648s
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| Posted: Mon, May 20 2019, 6:18 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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| We teach our children to avoid treating people this way, why are you engaging in such cruelty on this message board? Laura volunteered to serve the town, you can vote for her or not. But why try and destroy her personally? It’s really unhealthy behavior. I wish the owners of this message board would moderate this board, or better, shut it down permanently. |
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anon-2p0n
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| Posted: Mon, May 20 2019, 7:15 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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Laura is arguing that all of us should pay higher taxes because “we can afford it” while at the same time she is paying substantially lower property taxes then most other people in town. The indivisible group that she leads is arguing that we should change course and start encouraging residential building on the other side of route 130, which would increase our taxes and possibly cost us the relationship with Princeton which would be bad for our kids and bad for our home values. Those are facts, not mud, and those facts are relevant to her candidacy and the candidacy of the indivisible slate of candidates she is supporting. If you think those facts make Laura look bad, then maybe you should reconsider your support for her.
| Mud-slinging & c-648s wrote: | | We teach our children to avoid treating people this way, why are you engaging in such cruelty on this message board? Laura volunteered to serve the town, you can vote for her or not. But why try and destroy her personally? It’s really unhealthy behavior. I wish the owners of this message board would moderate this board, or better, shut it down permanently. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 20 2019, 10:41 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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| When did national politics hit Cranbury? We use to be better than this! We use to care about our town first and foremost. There’s no reason to mix national politics with our own concerns. For the most part we’ve been lucky to be apolitical historically. |
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anon-7666
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| Posted: Tue, May 21 2019, 6:41 am EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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It happened right after the 2016 election. The Indivisible groups formed nationally because people felt an inability to influence things. They formed to start to bring about change and one of the easiest ways to do that is through local politics. There is a feeling they are right and those who disagree are always wrong. They don’t feel a need to listen to others because their. Owe is the only view.
The CRC is a perfect example. If there are people with racist views they are in the minority. We have minorities in our churches, civic organizations, our boards, etc.. People are always welcome to contribute. Yet, because there are issues in Camden, Newark and even Monroe who has 50k residents compared to our 3k suddenly we need a Civil Rights Commission. Why because the Indivisible people say so. And when the Dems on the TC rightly pointed out there have been no bias crimes, and no issues with women and minorities being turned down for opportunities then they are shunned and blasted as being racist themselves by Indivisible.
Now they want more housing because that fits their agenda of building support and to raise taxes to fund the CRC and other items. |
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anon-0r23
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| Posted: Tue, May 21 2019, 9:31 am EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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| anon-7666 wrote: | It happened right after the 2016 election. The Indivisible groups formed nationally because people felt an inability to influence things. They formed to start to bring about change and one of the easiest ways to do that is through local politics. There is a feeling they are right and those who disagree are always wrong. They don’t feel a need to listen to others because their. Owe is the only view.
The CRC is a perfect example. If there are people with racist views they are in the minority. We have minorities in our churches, civic organizations, our boards, etc.. People are always welcome to contribute. Yet, because there are issues in Camden, Newark and even Monroe who has 50k residents compared to our 3k suddenly we need a Civil Rights Commission. Why because the Indivisible people say so. And when the Dems on the TC rightly pointed out there have been no bias crimes, and no issues with women and minorities being turned down for opportunities then they are shunned and blasted as being racist themselves by Indivisible.
Now they want more housing because that fits their agenda of building support and to raise taxes to fund the CRC and other items. |
I was not opposed, initially to the idea of a CRC. It seemed like it could be a good thing and if handled fairly and sensibly could have done some good. I was interested to learn more. And then I realized that there was nothing fair or sensible about it. When asked perfectly reasonable questions about what it would cost, why the supporters felt it was needed and such, Holly Johnson behaved like a petulant child who couldn’t have an ice cream cone. Pouting in her seat, hugging and puffing and tolling her eyes at the gall of those daring to question her. It was there that my support of the idea died. |
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anon-5p0n
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| Posted: Tue, May 21 2019, 4:42 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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| Guest 23145-8o65 wrote: | | When did national politics hit Cranbury? We use to be better than this! We use to care about our town first and foremost. There’s no reason to mix national politics with our own concerns. For the most part we’ve been lucky to be apolitical historically. |
It's been highly partisan before. People have short memories. When Dave Stout led a coalition he threw out all the conventions that had been in place before or since. He didn't rotate the Mayor position and held it consecutive years. He unilaterally filled all the committee positions and only with people registered to his party and personally loyal to him. He would meet with his majority coalition on the TC privately and discuss their positions before the public meetings -- which is illegal BTW -- them come to the meetings and try to ram things through with little discussion. If anyone from the public tried to question their actions, he would get very hostile.
He hated the idea of anyone but he and his small group having a voice in what the town did or how it spent taxpayer money. That's how we got the Babe Ruth Ballfield to nowhere. He tried to do it with the Library too but there was finally enough of a backlash from the public and even one of his own party members of on the TC switched parties due to him and he lost his super majority. Then his coalition started losing elections. Within a couple years, all of them had moved out of town. If they couldn't rule the town, they didn't want to stay. It took years for future TC members to clean up their mess.
And it could be like that again. Partisan TC's in Cranbury have only been destructive. Don't ignore history. |
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anon-0n49
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| Posted: Tue, May 21 2019, 5:32 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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She lobbied for higher taxes for the rest of us but does not pay her fair share
N.J. shutdown now likely, PACs continue to push massive tax hikes | Schepisi
Published on June 28, 2018 by Holly Schepisi
https://savejersey.com/2018/06/new-jersey-pacs-budget-murphy-shutdown/
The gladiator battle continues in New Jersey.
The Senate session scheduled for tomorrow has been cancelled meaning the state will in all likelihood shut down this weekend. Once again NO DISCUSSIONS about reigning in costs or cutting additional spending.
The battle is solely over which taxes to raise.
It is interesting to see the groups waiting with their hands out for the Governor’s increased spending and tax hikes.
These are the groups currently supporting his proposed several billion dollar spending increase.
Three PACS for Congressional Districts 3, 5 and 11 each support massive tax increases and increased spending on N.J. residents’ backs while the democratic congressional candidates from those districts are campaigning on claims that they are fiscally moderate:
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32BJ, SEIU Action Together New Jersey and 19 affiliate Chapters
AFSCME New Jersey
Amalgamated Transit Union, NJ State Council Anti Poverty Network of New Jersey
ATU Local 819 Newark
ATU Local 820 Union City
ATU Local 821 Jersey City
ATU Local 822 Paterson
ATU Local 823 Elizabeth
ATU Local 824 Howell
ATU Local 825 Oradell
ATU Local 880 South Jersey
BlueWaveNJ
Clean Water Action
Council of NJ State College Locals – AFT CWA District 1
CWA Local 1032
CWA Local 1037
CWA Local 1081
Environment New Jersey
Essex Rising
Food & Water Watch, New Jersey Chapter Healthy Schools Now
Indivisible Congressional District 3
Indivisible Congressional District 5
Indivisible Cranbury
Indivisible Garden State
La Casa de Don Pedro
The Latin American Legal Defense and Education Fund, Inc.
Laundry, Distribution & Food Service Joint
Board, Workers United/SEIU
League of Conservation Voters
LUPE PAC
Lutheran Episcopal Advocacy Ministry NJ
Monmouth County Democrats Progressive Caucus
National Association of Social Workers, New Jersey
National Organization for Women, Northern New Jersey Chapter
New Jersey Citizen Action
New Jersey Communities United
New Jersey Education Association
New Jersey Industrial Union Council
New Jersey Organizing Project
New Jersey Policy Perspective
New Jersey Tenants Organization
New Jersey Work Environment Council
New Jersey Working Families Alliance NJ BATS
NJ 11th For Change
Our Children/Our Schools
Our United Revolution New Jersey
Our Revolution Essex County
People Demanding Action, New Jersey Chapter People’s Organization for Progress
Progressive Democrats of America, New Jersey Chapter
Save Our Schools
Sierra Club, New Jersey Chapter
STAND Central NJ
Union of Rutgers Administrators, AFT Local 1766
V Rev. Peter Anthony Baktis, Mother of God Orthodox Church – Princeton
Westfield 20/20
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anon-5p0n
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| Posted: Tue, May 21 2019, 6:14 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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| anon-0n49 wrote: | She lobbied for higher taxes for the rest of us but does not pay her fair share
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How so? It sounds like she's paying exactly her "fair share" as defined by a fixed rate per assessed property values. It's not like she gets a special rate. Any time someone points this out, you just ignore it and repeat the same unsubstantiated claim. The mark of a true Troll. |
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anon-876n
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| Posted: Tue, May 21 2019, 6:25 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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| anon-5p0n wrote: | | anon-0n49 wrote: | She lobbied for higher taxes for the rest of us but does not pay her fair share
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How so? It sounds like she's paying exactly her "fair share" as defined by a fixed rate per assessed property values. It's not like she gets a special rate. Any time someone points this out, you just ignore it and repeat the same unsubstantiated claim. The mark of a true Troll. |
Indivisible Cranbury the group she is the leader of lobbied along with unions for higher taxes |
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anon-5p0n
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| Posted: Tue, May 21 2019, 6:38 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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| anon-876n wrote: | | anon-5p0n wrote: | | anon-0n49 wrote: | She lobbied for higher taxes for the rest of us but does not pay her fair share
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How so? It sounds like she's paying exactly her "fair share" as defined by a fixed rate per assessed property values. It's not like she gets a special rate. Any time someone points this out, you just ignore it and repeat the same unsubstantiated claim. The mark of a true Troll. |
Indivisible Cranbury the group she is the leader of lobbied along with unions for higher taxes |
That still evades the question. How exactly is she not paying her "fair share"? Please define how her tax rate relative to property value is less than anyone else in Cranbury? Or how else would you define "fair share"? |
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anon-08p6
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| Posted: Tue, May 21 2019, 10:44 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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It seems like the primary point people are making is Laura Zurfluh leads a group that argues we should all pay more in taxes when she pays substantially lower taxes than most people in Cranbury.
Regarding “fair share”, it looks like the tax assessment on her land is on par. Her home assessment is comparatively very low, even when considering square footage, but that could be a result of not making any improvements in 20 years, successful appeals, good luck, etc. Data on her property is very limited, which is also part of the reason Zillow and Trulia have the estimate so wrong. Not sure why the township maintains the road that serves as her driveway.
One ironic point... the groups Laura supports are always talking about “fair share” as it relates to people’s ability to pay. Presumably, Dr. Zurfluh has the ability to pay more than $7,800 which is way below the town average. Apparently, that version of “fair share” is only applicable to everyone else.
| anon-5p0n wrote: | | anon-876n wrote: | | anon-5p0n wrote: | | anon-0n49 wrote: | She lobbied for higher taxes for the rest of us but does not pay her fair share
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How so? It sounds like she's paying exactly her "fair share" as defined by a fixed rate per assessed property values. It's not like she gets a special rate. Any time someone points this out, you just ignore it and repeat the same unsubstantiated claim. The mark of a true Troll. |
Indivisible Cranbury the group she is the leader of lobbied along with unions for higher taxes |
That still evades the question. How exactly is she not paying her "fair share"? Please define how her tax rate relative to property value is less than anyone else in Cranbury? Or how else would you define "fair share"? |
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anon-0n49
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| Posted: Wed, May 22 2019, 12:02 am EDT Post subject: Re: Laura Zurfluh’ Amazingly Low Taxes |
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| anon-08p6 wrote: | It seems like the primary point people are making is Laura Zurfluh leads a group that argues we should all pay more in taxes when she pays substantially lower taxes than most people in Cranbury.
Regarding “fair share”, it looks like the tax assessment on her land is on par. Her home assessment is comparatively very low, even when considering square footage, but that could be a result of not making any improvements in 20 years, successful appeals, good luck, etc. Data on her property is very limited, which is also part of the reason Zillow and Trulia have the estimate so wrong. Not sure why the township maintains the road that serves as her driveway.
One ironic point... the groups Laura supports are always talking about “fair share” as it relates to people’s ability to pay. Presumably, Dr. Zurfluh has the ability to pay more than $7,800 which is way below the town average. Apparently, that version of “fair share” is only applicable to everyone else.
| anon-5p0n wrote: | | anon-876n wrote: | | anon-5p0n wrote: | | anon-0n49 wrote: | She lobbied for higher taxes for the rest of us but does not pay her fair share
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How so? It sounds like she's paying exactly her "fair share" as defined by a fixed rate per assessed property values. It's not like she gets a special rate. Any time someone points this out, you just ignore it and repeat the same unsubstantiated claim. The mark of a true Troll. |
Indivisible Cranbury the group she is the leader of lobbied along with unions for higher taxes |
That still evades the question. How exactly is she not paying her "fair share"? Please define how her tax rate relative to property value is less than anyone else in Cranbury? Or how else would you define "fair share"? |
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And she is the leader of a leftist agenda to change Cranbury |
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