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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 11:48 am EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

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School Lane is a public safety hazzard. It is has been ignored for many years in favor of more "glamorous" issues. Having one way in and one way out of a school with 600 students and township offices is not safe. If there is ever an emergency it would be diasterous. I was talking to one of the cops who directs traffic in the morning and he said that the police officers have been complaining for years and it is has been ignored by the township.


Agree.

This issue should be more pressing than the library issue. I am puzzled that no TC member shares this view.

I'll vote for TC candidates who will take up this issue next time.
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 12:44 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

I do agree the bottleneck getting in and out of the school is an issue -- and that it will probably only get worse with the onset of winter. However, I tend to agree with the other posters that there do not seem to be many elegant (or cost-effective) near-term solutions for this. (Though repairing some of the potholes during an upcoming school break might help at least to some degree.) One solution to the traffic problem, obviously, is to reduce the number of cars. I personally feel that car pooling is hard; getting your own kids out of the house in the morning is hard enough without worrying about coordinating with other families. That then leaves the walkers/bikers. If you recall, during the first week of school this year the weather was beautiful. As a result, so many kids rode their bikes or scooters to school there were literally not enough places to park them. Plus the drop-off area was jam-packed before and after school with parents escorting their kids. Yesterday during afternoon pickup (and the temperature was in the low 50s), there were six bikes in the rack, and maybe about twenty parents waiting for their kids. Where did everyone go?

There's some likely drivers behind the decided drop-off in walkers/bikers. Among them are that the lustre of the new school year has worn off. Or the backpacks have gotten too heavy. Or, most likely, there's just not much incentive to walk/bike. (After all, isn't it easier for everyone involved to drive the kids and be done?)

A friend of mine in Boulder, Colo., had a similar experience with his kids a few years back. Despite living less than a mile from their elementary school, his kids never wanted to walk or ride their bikes to school. He solved the problem by creating an incentive program called Freiker (www.freiker.org). In the schools where it's been implemented, the program has more than doubled the number of students who routinely walk or ride their bikes to school. And, as a footnote, Boulder isn't exactly a warm weather climate.

I personally don't think it's very constructive to throw stones at people who drive their kids to school. We all have our reasons. But I do think the bike racks should be a bit more full on a sunny 50-degree day, and I believe promoting walking/riding it is a practical way to help chip away at the problems being discussed here.
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 1:09 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

I am curious of the drivers how many are bused students and choose to drive or are walkers who don't live on dangerous roads or have sidewalks. I understand and agree with the above poster, but I know people who walk regardless of weather and people who could bus, but drive to spend time with their kids in the morning before heading to work. So I am just trying to figure out if there is a real issue at hand that there majority have no other choice that is reasonable or is it that we make it an issue by not using other means.
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no issue?
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 1:24 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

If you think there is no issue, then just ask the cops stop coming to direct traffic. This is not a one-time event. The cops are there each and every school day.
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 1:34 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

I am not saying there is no issue. I am saying are we as parents creating the issue because of how we choose to operate in the morning. Isues are created one of two ways. Us creating by not using services available for our own reasons or the sheer nature of nothing else can be done because people have to drive the kids with no other choice. The question is how many do so voluntarily vs having to do it because the bus is not available and kids walking has an issue of it's own.

The police have always been there directing traffic even when we had 300 kids in school. It would be the same if we had 2 exits and entrances. Police would have to be there and potentially police would have to be in two locations. That would not change otherwise cars would still not be able to get in or out.
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 1:48 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

Having two exits for a hot spot can save lives when the only exit is blocked and there is an emergency. This is just common sense. Do we want to wait for some tragic events to occur, then fix it?
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 1:49 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

School Lane wrote:
Guest wrote:
School Lane is a public safety hazzard. It is has been ignored for many years in favor of more "glamorous" issues. Having one way in and one way out of a school with 600 students and township offices is not safe. If there is ever an emergency it would be diasterous. I was talking to one of the cops who directs traffic in the morning and he said that the police officers have been complaining for years and it is has been ignored by the township.


Agree.

This issue should be more pressing than the library issue. I am puzzled that no TC member shares this view.

I'll vote for TC candidates who will take up this issue next time.


A historical note, the last time the Republicans had a council majority they advocated this and even got state money to pay for it. Traffic engineers were hired and paid. Then everyone in town formed a circular firing squad and let loose. The result; we didn't build a road, we returned the grant money, and the republicans lost control of the TC. Gee let's try it again.
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 1:55 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
School Lane wrote:
Guest wrote:
School Lane is a public safety hazzard. It is has been ignored for many years in favor of more "glamorous" issues. Having one way in and one way out of a school with 600 students and township offices is not safe. If there is ever an emergency it would be diasterous. I was talking to one of the cops who directs traffic in the morning and he said that the police officers have been complaining for years and it is has been ignored by the township.


Agree.

This issue should be more pressing than the library issue. I am puzzled that no TC member shares this view.

I'll vote for TC candidates who will take up this issue next time.


A historical note, the last time the Republicans had a council majority they advocated this and even got state money to pay for it. Traffic engineers were hired and paid. Then everyone in town formed a circular firing squad and let loose. The result; we didn't build a road, we returned the grant money, and the republicans lost control of the TC. Gee let's try it again.


That's a tragedy. We end up getting a ballfield!

I'll trade the ballfield for an extra exit in a heartbeat.
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 3:01 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

We as parents do contribute to the issue, however that does not take away from the fact that it is dangerous to allow one way in/one way out. Look at schools in other towns, especially schools that have 600 students plus staff plus township offices. I have been hard pressed to find another muncipality that allows this dangerous condition to exist in 2009. I dont think solving the bottleneck problem should be about the conveince of me or any other parent who choses to drop their kids off and wants to be able to get out of School Lane quickly. If I have to wait that is my problem. It should about changing the traffic pattern because it is not safe. I have noticed that the buses have a hard time navigating when cars are backed up. Can u imagine fire trucks or ambulances? I have watched car after car drive over the curb onto the sidewalk when making turns out of School Lane. This is with children on the sidewalk. I guess someones kid needs to be run over before something is done. The crossing guard and the cops do a great job making sure the pedestrians are safe but there is only so much they can do. Correcting this problem falls into the category of a need not a want.
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 3:18 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

What is funny is there is all this complaing - but no talk about a solution... does anyone even have a solution to where they would put another lane going into the school?? If not then i think you all should be quiet and stop comlaining about it!
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 3:29 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

if it is soo dangerous maybe the one way should be closed to all traffic except official TownHall and Teachers during the morning rush, parents would have to stop on main street instead.
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 5:14 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

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if it is soo dangerous maybe the one way should be closed to all traffic except official TownHall and Teachers during the morning rush, parents would have to stop on main street instead.


I think you still don't get it.

Just ask yourself this: If we block all your exits (doors, windows, etc.) out of your home but the front door, will you be willing to stay in your home like that?

It's not "dangerous": everything is still the same. You can sleep, eat, and have fun there.
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 5:14 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
School Lane wrote:
Guest wrote:
School Lane is a public safety hazzard. It is has been ignored for many years in favor of more "glamorous" issues. Having one way in and one way out of a school with 600 students and township offices is not safe. If there is ever an emergency it would be diasterous. I was talking to one of the cops who directs traffic in the morning and he said that the police officers have been complaining for years and it is has been ignored by the township.


Agree.

This issue should be more pressing than the library issue. I am puzzled that no TC member shares this view.

I'll vote for TC candidates who will take up this issue next time.


A historical note, the last time the Republicans had a council majority they advocated this and even got state money to pay for it. Traffic engineers were hired and paid. Then everyone in town formed a circular firing squad and let loose. The result; we didn't build a road, we returned the grant money, and the republicans lost control of the TC. Gee let's try it again.


What were the stated objections of those opposed to the plan?
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 5:24 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
School Lane wrote:
Guest wrote:
School Lane is a public safety hazzard. It is has been ignored for many years in favor of more "glamorous" issues. Having one way in and one way out of a school with 600 students and township offices is not safe. If there is ever an emergency it would be diasterous. I was talking to one of the cops who directs traffic in the morning and he said that the police officers have been complaining for years and it is has been ignored by the township.


Agree.

This issue should be more pressing than the library issue. I am puzzled that no TC member shares this view.

I'll vote for TC candidates who will take up this issue next time.


A historical note, the last time the Republicans had a council majority they advocated this and even got state money to pay for it. Traffic engineers were hired and paid. Then everyone in town formed a circular firing squad and let loose. The result; we didn't build a road, we returned the grant money, and the republicans lost control of the TC. Gee let's try it again.


What were the stated objections of those opposed to the plan?


I seem to recall that none of the solutions was really that good. Extend Park Place and create another mess where Park and Main meet? Go over to the dirt road by the preserve and make that into a real road and then have another mess over there?

We are a small town, and instead of complaining what happened back then without back-up (would you please post more details) does not help muIn order to move forward, revisit the issue, bring it up to the TC, invite the police chief and have an open discussion.

In the meantime do the best you can to alleviate traffic. If that means car-pool or getting out the door a few minutes earlier, do it. It would help a lot.
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 5:26 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

Believe or not the major objections years ago were from the historical society. They did not want to take drivers away from the scenic vista of School Lane. The township now has a police officer who have extensive training in traffic planning.Sergeant Dilley. I bet he would very helpful planning a safe new route.
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PostPosted: Wed, Dec 9 2009, 5:31 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Town Hall clock and nearby road condition Reply with quote

Guest wrote:

A historical note, the last time the Republicans had a council majority they advocated this and even got state money to pay for it. Traffic engineers were hired and paid. Then everyone in town formed a circular firing squad and let loose. The result; we didn't build a road, we returned the grant money, and the republicans lost control of the TC. Gee let's try it again.


1) Who is everyone?

2) Are firing squads related to death squads?

Please be more specific in your statements
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