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[quote="Cranbury Conservative"]In the best interest of our town…. Once again here in Cranbury the agenda of a few is taking our focus off of our fight against the unfair COAH / Affordable Housing obligation we face. Regarding our library here in Cranbury an important fact to realize is we have less then 4000 residents in Cranbury and the library has a $700,000 budget surplus. Does the Cranbury Police Department or the School run that kind of surplus? The answer is NO. For 40 year the library and school have had a very successful agreement for a shared library space which has been very beneficial to the taxpayers of Cranbury and the need for a new stand alone library appears to only have become a “MAJOR” issue since the new head of the library has taken over. From what I have heard some of the major “Issues” for the library currently appear to be space limitations as well as new concerns over some restricted hours by the school. I was also told recently the library and the school now each has their own lawyers which are getting paid with our tax dollars to solve the disputes they are having because of space and hours. In the case of the library I guess that is how they choose to use the surplus of our tax dollars. In the end who wins? THE LAWYERS WIN!!! Yes that is right the lawyers not the residents of Cranbury. What we need is for everyone involved to step back and do what is best for the town and that is for us all to focus on COAH AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING as Cranbury’s number one issue. Because if we have to build what COAH wants our town to build then Cranbury will cease to exist as we know it today. If we choose to focus on the library’s supporters needs and not the needs of the community as a whole then we will have one of two things that will happen to the library here in Cranbury…. In our first scenario if the COAH / Affordable Housing build out occurs as is then our towns population will soar to somewhere between 6,000 and 8,000 residents. The library supporters will then be able to justify their need for a stand alone library. Unfortunately in this scenario since we were so focused on the library’s needs and not the needs of our town in its fight against our unjust Affordable Housing obligation our town will have changed in such a way that it does not look anything like it does today. We will either need to build a new school or send our children to others town’s schools due to the lack of space available in our current school. Further we won’t be able to add on to the school because by that time the TC will have preserved the West Property which will have handcuffed the school from being able to expand. We will also have lost our agreement with Princeton because we will have exceeded the limit of students they have said we can send without their needing to expand. Our taxes will probable be 2 to 3 times what they are today, which will force many of our current residents out of our town. In the second scenario if the COAH / Affordable Housing build out occurs and the population soars to somewhere between 6,000 and 8,000 residents and then we will not need a stand alone library because our town won’t be called Cranbury anymore. Our town will be called Plainsboro. We will then be able to use our new state of the art library that our new town is building right now. We will have consolidated with Plainsboro because the tax burden will have become so high that we will not be able to run our town independently. It will also make the States case easier against us as a town that should consolidate with another community. Is this what we want to happen to our town? Further we are trying to make a case as a community that our COAH obligation is unfair and would be a terrible burden on the taxpayers of Cranbury. Can the library supporters stop and ask themselves how it makes our town look when we say we can’t afford Affordable Housing yet a town of less then 4000 people can afford a brand new library. Can our town look any worse by doing this? So please for the good of our community, can the library and the school work these issues out? Can you please put your personal agendas aside for the good of the town? Can the Township Committee do the same? For the greater good of our community we need to resolve our library issues, and make use of the existing agreement as is. We then need to focus back on our #1 priority COAH / Affordable Housing. http://cranburyconservative.blogspot.com/[/quote]
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James
Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2008, 11:19 am EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
I have to say, I do think these numbers are positive in terms of showing people visiting the library.
I don't want to raise speculation on anything other than I wonder about time. Is the number a product of people being off and therefore visiting it during these hours or is it actually lower because people were vacationing elsewhere. No one knows this answer, but I'm thinking out loud. I know in my own experience we always used the library more in the summer because my mom could take us to pick out books to occupy us at the pool or beach. When the school started our family use decreased because we had school library hours and less free time on weekends and the evening.
My view is that we can't have a stand alone library at this time. But, I don't hear that issue being raised by library staff or those on the board right now either. I also think that should not detract from the job the library staff is doing. I think we need to support the library and instead of bemoaning loss of hours, tell the library staff that we can work with them. There is no reason our own self interest, going at 11am instead of 10am, should get in the way of using the library. Nor should it be a reason for individuals to complain. People who use the library will adjust and learn to cope. I do feel sorry for the loss of a children's story hour. Next time I'm in I'll have to ask why it can't be at 11 or so.
I 100% agree with Guest. It is disappointing that a lease can't be agreed upon. My solution for what it's worth would be to have a BOE member (Not Mr. Hanney or school employee) and a library Board Member and a TC member (perhaps Wayne simply because he's leaving and therefore is independent) all sit down in one room one night and iron out an agreement. No lawyers, no staff employees, just town residents holding a position for each of the interested parties. Seems to me that this could be done in an hour or two so long as overall town interests are held.
guest2
Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2008, 10:29 am EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
It sounds as if you need to talk to Mrs. Mullen yourself, which should put an end to any conjecture on your part--on this, or any of the many issues you have raised.
Cranbury Conservative
Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2008, 10:14 am EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
Ok since you seemed to be informed. Is the count being taken by cards scanned or does the library have a traffic counter at the door. I ask this because I do not understand how they are counting all visitors since some were using newpapers and computers.
Guest
Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2008, 10:08 am EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
To answer your question, 83 separate people and 82 items borrowed.
Some people may have been consulting the computers or newspapers.
Some young families like to stay home in the evening as the children have early bedtimes so we can not assume that they can just come in the evening.
No, not a total loss of hours, but substantial. The 3-6 p.m. time frame is when the library fills up with school children. It really does not count as a time when seniors, business people, families with very young children, or adults would choose to be there.
I don't know...16 per hour during the quiet month of August sounds good to me.
Cranbury Conservative
Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2008, 9:53 am EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
Based on the numbers provided that works out to 16 people per an hour visiting the library. Are the 83 visitors actually 83 separate individuals who's cards were scanned and not duplicate scans because that person took out more then one book?
I am asking this because as I said earlier on the board their is a big difference between 1 person taking out five books counting as one visit as it should be or being counted as five visits because their card was scanned five times for the five books.
Further their will not be an entire loss of hours, as the library will still be open from 11-1 and 3-9. As I posted yesterday the library could be open for even more hours each week by expanding evening and weekend hours which would allow those of us that work long hours out of town and have long commutes to use the facility as well as family’s being able to use earlier in the morning hours on the weekends.
One last point 16 visitors per hour does not seem that high of a number given the amount of staff the library has currently.
Guest
Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2008, 8:22 am EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
I spoke with Marilynn Mullen and here is some information about the public library:
Marilynn believes that the restriction of hours would affect the senior segment of our population. This is prime time for them. Also, the story hours for preschoolers would have to be eliminated. Marilynn also says that they get a lot of business people as well. She gave me some statistics. They keep a lot of these, so we should feel free to ask her about this. For August, vacation month, they had an average of 83 visitors between 10 a.m. and 3 p.m., evenly spaced out during this time, and the average circulation of books, movies, etc.was 82. Some people are just not able to come out at night so I don't think we can just assume everyone can do this.
An important issue: The limitation of hours can jeopardize reciprocal borrowing agreements with other libraries. This means that Cranbury Public Library patrons would not be able to check out materials at other libraries with a Cranbury Public Library card.
So this refers to Plainsboro and Monroe libraries.
I am not sure why a shared facility agreement has not been signed. From what I understand, the public library has been working with the school on this for over a decade, but the agreement remained unsigned. I guess when no lease can be agreed upon, no rent can be agreed upon.
The library staff includes 3 professional librarians, holding MLIS degrees, and the rest of the staff are library assistants. The librarians work full-time and the library assistants all work part-time. Doug Baldwin is the Technical Services Library and he is the one that teaches all those great computer classes. Jan Murphy is the wonderful children's librarian who runs summer reading programs and the teen group, Student Library Council. Marilynn is, of course, the director. Marilynn is mainly talking about the professional staff when she says that she is afraid of losing the staff. Certainly, one can always find things to do in a library, but librarians should be there when a library is open so that they can help with reference questions etc.
I, too, am sad that lawyers have been consulted. I wish the Township Committee would help moderate this situation.
Cranbury Conservative
Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2008, 1:42 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
I was giving this more thought and every time someone checks books in or out of the Cranbury Library it is recorded via a bar code on that persons library card and then the data goes into the libraries computer systems.
When trying to determine how busy our library is, it is not about the volume of books / how many books are borrowed or returned to and from the library. Its all about individual card transactions such as if one card takes or returns 5 books. That is one transaction and not five and the library cannot count it as five transactions if we want to really determine how much volume they are doing each day. To repeat my point about transactions and volume if a residents card is scanned for each book they take and if a residents card is scanned five times in a row for five books at the same time it is one transaction.
If the library can share that data excluding activity by students from the school as well the variables mentioned or any others which may skew the numbers, then we could actually see how many individual residents take books out of the library and return them by the hour and day of the week.
We would then have real data which would allow for at least some kind of informed start to making any future decisions concerning our library.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2008, 12:54 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
Extending the weekday hours might be great too - especially for the high school kids to help them prepare for tests and finish projects.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2008, 12:43 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
My family would like these new hours better then current library hours. Both my wife and I get home late from work and could then stop by the library on our way home and pickup a book or DVD for the next day's commute. Extending Sat/Sun would be great for me also. Can someone ask Mullen to make these changes, they make the library much more viable for both of us commuting parents.
Cranbury Conservative wrote:
Here is an example of a more community friendly schedule that would accommodate those of us that work….
Mon -Fri 11-1, 3-11 (50 available hours a week)
Sat - 8 - 8 (12 availalble hours a week)
Sun - 8 - 6 (10 available hours a week)
Total available open Hours 72
Guest
Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2008, 11:34 am EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
I am responding via blackberry so I couldn't sign in.
No, there was no mention of lease, rent, etc...
I personally would like to see an agreement finalized without lawyers. Under normal circumstances I think this would happen.
However, based on the way the TC has acted I don't feel they would be a fair partner at this time and even whether they would act in the resident interets. The Stout, Stannard and Stave group wants a stand alone library and a formal agreement makes that positon invalid. So they would not be helpful in a lease contract or formal agreement.
That's just my view.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2008, 11:16 am EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
James wrote:
I forgot the hard on staff part. Mrs. Mullen did not clarify that part.
Maybe she meant that it is hard on the staff to be sitting on almost a million in cranbery tax surplus without paying any RENT back to the school.
Did she bring up a motion to formalize the school/library relationship by paying a lease for the joint space??
It would probably make the staff sleep better at night knowing that the handshake agreement was formalized better between the two, so no lawyers would be needed in future to resolve the disputes.
Cranbury Conservative
Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2008, 10:53 am EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
The library has been asked by the school in Cranbury to reduce the hours it is open as part of its security measures. When I heard the director of the Library speak about this subject last night at the TC meeting I decided to compare the original hours of operation to new proposed hours of operation. As was stated by the library director, due to the new schedule there would be a 15 hours shortfall in current service for the library per week. I then was able to determine the library can work with the school to accommodate the request and still have more then enough available hours of operation each week to maintain service.
For instance the current schedule is as follows...
Hours of Operation
10am-9pm Mon-Thurs (44 hours a week)
10am-5pm Fri (6 hours a week)
10am-5pm Sat (7 hours a week)
1pm- 4pm Sun (3 hours a week)
Total hours open 60
The amount of available hours seems to be fair and adequate.
However with so many of us that support the library through our tax dollars being at work all day and have lengthy commutes of an hour or more, then why can’t the library extend its hours in the evening and weekends? This option would give back the 15 hours they are staying closed for school security and allow those hours to be reused to benefit everyone in town.
When I broke the hours down that were available the library could be open up to 72 hours or more a week if needed.
Here is an example of a more community friendly schedule that would accommodate those of us that work….
Mon -Fri 11-1, 3-11 (50 available hours a week)
Sat - 8 - 8 (12 availalble hours a week)
Sun - 8 - 6 (10 available hours a week)
Total available open Hours 72
As was said in the previous post it was only a report, however the report did not give any possible options. Possibly the library will consider this option and then move on so we as a community can focus on the real issues such as our COAH / Affordable Housing obligation.
http://cranburyconservative.blogspot.com/2008/09/cranbury-library-needs-to-move-on.html
James
Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2008, 10:18 am EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
Two residents made statements during public comment. Otherwise there was no discussion.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2008, 10:06 am EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
Was there any more discussion of COAH?
James
Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2008, 8:56 am EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
I forgot the hard on staff part. Mrs. Mullen did not clarify that part.
I believe all the staff lives on town so it can't be too hard to leave and come back and they are certainly not paid an amount so high as to have the lost wages hurt them financially.
It's been done before with these hours and think it is a fair compromise. I want to stress, so we don't go down another long path, that Mrs. Mullen did not advocate or stress anything at the meeting. It was a simple information statement.
library hours
Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2008, 8:41 am EDT
Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING September 8, 2008
Quote:
The library has been asked to reduce hours to 11-1 and 3-9. Today they are open from 10-9.
For me, the change is fine; I'll go to the library after work and during the weekend.
I don't understand the "hard on the staff" part. Is it because the staff has to leave and then come back? If so, why can they just stay in the library? They don't pose any security risks for the school, right?
Come on folks, we don't even trust our own library staff?