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[quote="Jay T."]That is a good question. My guess is because the turf and building of the field is such that it requires more protection than the other little league fields. I personally don't believe any property that is town owned should have restrictions. This was a statement made at a meeting and I can't find (or they did not publish the notes). Just some information. I remember being kicked off a little league field many years ago while having a sandlot game. The coach came out and said he had a practice. Being a smart aleck I said did you reserve the field knowing that it's public and the only way to kick kids off was to reserve it. He said no, and we all ended up leaving still, but it always stuck on me that we shouldn't make things exclusive that tax payers pay for. If I want to play catch (I'm 34 so I don't play catch too often anymore) on the babe ruth field or if kids want to go there after school they should have that right. However, I would imagine some kids will jump the fence and play. I would have no issue with that and don't see our police officers arresting kids for a pick up game. If Babe Ruth doesn't like it let them buy it from the town.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jay T.</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2008, 8:59 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Tally the baseball field cost</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Sorry, the remediation increased the costs by 100,873.00. <br /> <br />Either way, remember the Phase 2 building is still to be bid. So this field is not going to come in cheaply. <br /> <br />BTW, there are 3 pages of line item invoices on the printout of charges.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jay T.</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2008, 8:53 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Tally the baseball field cost</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I don't have the history, but here is what I understand from multiple sources. Please forgive me if I am a bit off here or there as I did not take notes in my discussions. <br /> <br />The Finance Department told me to the best of my recollection that the largest grant of 400,000 was intended to for the use of dugouts, scoreboard, restroom facilities, etc... I do not recall what they said the additional 75,000 grant was intended to be used for. This was spelled out in a letter to the town. <br /> <br />The project was bid out in two phases, I am not sure why this was done perhaps because of different vendor requirements or because they may have wanted to apply for a second grant. I do not know. <br /> <br />The first phase I understand was field grading, fencing, lay out. <br /> <br />The second phase was dugout, scoreboard, bleachers, restroom facilities, etc... <br /> <br />The remediation money had to come into play in the first phase in order to do grading and the build out. Whether it was grant money used or town money I don't think is material. It's akin to paying a bill from your savings account or checking either way it comes out of the same pool of money in the town's possesion and either way it increases the cost of the field.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2008, 8:48 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Tally the baseball field cost</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">There are two grants from the County one for 400,000 and one for 75,000. <br /> <br />There are three pages of expenses because they detail each invoice and charge. The total expenses incurred from inception are $390,991.80. The fence change will add an additional 20,000 to this price.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Thanks Jay T.! <br /> <br />To summarize: <br /> <br />Expenses so far: $390,991.80 + $20,000 = $410,991.80 <br />Grants: $400,000 + $75,000 = $475,000</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2008, 8:45 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Tally the baseball field cost</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Jay T. wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I stopped in the town office today and had a very pleasant discussion with our town hall staff. First, I want to say to everyone if you have any questions they are very happy to help you understand costs, ordinances or anything else. <br /> <br />Here is what I found based on the expenses for the ballfield. <br /> <br />There are two grants from the County one for 400,000 and one for 75,000. <br /> <br />There are three pages of expenses because they detail each invoice and charge. The total expenses incurred from inception are $390,991.80. The fence change will add an additional 20,000 to this price. <br /> <br />This includes fees to date. It does not include future fees, dugouts, restroom facilities, soreboard, etc... also known as Phase II expenses. <br /> <br />It also does not include the land acquisition costs, future maintenance, etc... The biggest item appears to be the remediation for the field.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It seams like $400K county grants would have been enough to build 100% of the field, but the HazMat cleanup and some changeorder overruns, forced a PHASE 2?? Am I correct, is PHASE 2 a brand new phase becuase we ran out of grants? I've been here for the past 5 years and dont remember any meetings to vote on this or input from taxpayers like me. Maybe I would have used the Grant to build a new library here on the Ballfield spot. Maybe - I just dont know if we even need to spend more money right now.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jay T.</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2008, 8:09 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Tally the baseball field cost</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The data does include the costs paid for from inception to now. It is not just those covered by the grants. I wanted to state the grants in the interest of full disclosure, not to justify spending or any other reason. Not doing so would leave me open to criticsim from those who support the field and say I am only presenting one side of the coin. <br /> <br />I asked for costs incurred, approved and paid for by the town. The allowances show budgeted money and invoices paid. The budgets approved have been met. So change orders have to be processed from now until Phase II is bid out. Thus the addiitonal 20,000 for the fence. <br /> <br />If they should decide tomorrow to scrap the plan for the ballfield then this will be our sole cost. <br /> <br />It does not include future costs because those have not yet been bid out. So while they will be major, no one can say for certain how high they will be. My guess is that they'll likely be at least another 200,000. But, that's all it is. <br /> <br />It does not include the land because regardless of the ballfield the land would have still been acquired. <br /> <br />To be very clear, the costs came from the the township office not the TC members or any other source. These individuals are very open and honest people who have no interest in hiding costs from the residents in our town. To insinute otherwise is pretty offensive to them and to me as I took time from my schedule to do this research today. <br /> <br />As I said they were very friendly and helpful as they provided me the documents within one day when legally it could have taken 7 days. <br /> <br />As I have posted numerous times, I feel the costs of the ballfield are unnecessary and out of line with what our town's needs are at the moment. I agree that grant money still is our money unless it came from private grants from companies or charities (it did not).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2008, 6:45 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Tally the baseball field cost</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Jay T. wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">This includes fees to date. It does not include future fees, dugouts, restroom facilities, soreboard, etc... also known as Phase II expenses. <br /> <br />It also does not include the land acquisition costs, future maintenance, etc... The biggest item appears to be the remediation for the field.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />That data seems like a dodge to me if it does NOT include a bunch of items that they have already paid for and others they already know the future cost of. What was the point of only quoting to you the costs that are covered under the grants? <br /> <br />BTW, besides the fact that the TC keeps trying to avoid discussing the costs of the ballfield by claiming it is mostly grant money being annoying and insincere, I love (not) how they make it seem like because it is a grant we don't have to care about the money. But its still ULTIMATELY our tax dollar, people. Just because it didn't all come from our local budget doesn't mean it isn't more government pork barrel spending that makes no sense. We should be asking ourselves as local, state and federal tax payers whether Cranbury needed to spend $1M on a Babe Ruth Ballfield, regardless of which pot various peices of the funds came from.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jay T.</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2008, 6:37 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Tally the baseball field cost</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I stopped in the town office today and had a very pleasant discussion with our town hall staff. First, I want to say to everyone if you have any questions they are very happy to help you understand costs, ordinances or anything else. <br /> <br />Here is what I found based on the expenses for the ballfield. <br /> <br />There are two grants from the County one for 400,000 and one for 75,000. <br /> <br />There are three pages of expenses because they detail each invoice and charge. The total expenses incurred from inception are $390,991.80. The fence change will add an additional 20,000 to this price. <br /> <br />This includes fees to date. It does not include future fees, dugouts, restroom facilities, soreboard, etc... also known as Phase II expenses. <br /> <br />It also does not include the land acquisition costs, future maintenance, etc... The biggest item appears to be the remediation for the field.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Frugality in Cranbury</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2008, 3:19 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Flying by the Seat of your Pants</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I am by nature a “fly by the seat of your pants” type of person. It keeps life interesting never knowing what’s around the corner. Boy, what great adventures I have encountered. This - my friends, is how the current TC has been governing Cranbury. I have to say those adventures have been invoking community passion and unity. But, some may say it’s focused against the TC members. <br /> <br />But let me be clear, I am also extremely conservative especially when it affects my family’s and community’s future. In my experience, Planning is the most crucial element in any long term future endeavor. So, I sit here thinking about 5 – 10 years down the road. Where will Cranbury be? What will it look like? My hope is that we can maintain our current quality of life but after attending most of the township meetings for the last 2 years this hope is seriously diminishing as time goes on. <br /> <br />I’m not sure that the idea of “planning for the future” can be accomplished by our current TC. I can only judge by their past “fly by the seat of your pants” actions and “quick get-it-done” attitude. These actions and attitudes have plagued our Current township committee and it is costing the citizens of Cranbury millions in extra expenditures. Most of these issues could be avoided with in-depth project planning, management and better oversight by the TC. <br /> <br />Case in point, the Babe Ruth baseball field project has been handled poorly from the very beginning. After a bid was accepted, the project started without even knowing that there needed to be an environmental cleanup. Due to the county grant we accepted; Cranbury could not back-out or delay this project. The wheels kept turning – quick… quick, it must get done. <br /> <br />Currently, the newly installed fence needs to be moved due to a safety request by Cranbury Recreational Director’s safety. Apparently, all parties that is or would be involved with this field were not asked for their comments or recommendations. <br /> <br />This Babe Ruth Baseball Field will finally cost over 1 million to complete. It is fine to say that most of it will be covered by county grants – But really, where do you think the county gets their money from? Right out of our paychecks. <br /> <br />It is common business practice, that the project manager is always directly at fault for just about everything; including not being prepared with correct up front cost estimates, no ideas of cost overrides, no upfront environmental assessments, lack of communications with effected parties, and the list goes on. Any boss, would immediately take the reigns to completion or until a new project manager could take over. <br /> <br />Other concerning community past issues: <br /> <br />A. Tax reassessment (which by the way the TC lucked out – due to the state of the economy, it raised to resale value of the older homes). But, this was not the intent for the reassessment. It was to stave off lawsuits from commercial properties. <br />B. “Once in the Lifetime” PNC Bank property purchase endeavor. No Plan – “No go” requested by taxpayers. <br /> <br />C. 2008 property tax increase – 5% to all mainly do to school budget increase of 1 million needed. <br /> <br />D. COAH homes regulations changed to 3 story buildings for low, low income rentals – idea tabled due to “no immediate need to change” at request of community. On a personal note, I like us to stay with the low – moderate income housing or special needs housing. <br /> <br />E. West Property preserved. – has this issue really been thought out? Um…perhaps Expansion for the school? Community gardens? A new library/community center? Of which the community center for older teens and senior was on the Master Plan amendment from 2000 and suggested it be placed on the West Property. I guess those older teens and seniors need to play baseball. <br /> <br />F. Helping farms with preserving development rights – Ok I know it is needed, but when the TC only knows that is costs Cranbury 20% - they have no clue what that number is - $10, $1000, or even millions. <br /> <br />Some may say I am complaining and why don’t I do something about it. Even our Mayor stated at one of the township meeting (one of the poorly attended tax reassessment meetings) that for anyone to know what is going on, or are displeased or have ideas; taxpayers need to come to the meetings. In effect, I felt he was blaming me for the tax reassessment and the budget, etc. But, he was right and I took him up on his challenge. <br /> <br />I have been to almost all of the township meetings and on many occasions made my voice heard. But, now I see a disturbing pattern of closed meetings, “quick get-it-done” poorly planned backdoor projects, and dismissiveness of community ideas. Perhaps it is due to the TC governing for years without too many disturbances of questions and complaints by the citizens. But, now these open meetings are general packed. Do not mistake it for being a sign that people want to be involved or just there for knowledge. They are displeased by the TC and have lost trust in their decision making by many of the reasons stated above. <br /> <br />My hope is that the TC will wake up and smell to coffee and use the resources and the knowledge of the Cranburians. We can learn from the past but must always PLAN for the future. Afterall - We are all neighbors; We are all in this together. Let’s make a better life for us now and for future generations to enjoy and grow.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2008, 2:11 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Tally the baseball field cost</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Ken Jacobs 395-0900 ext. 302</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>g2</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2008, 1:34 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Tally the baseball field cost</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Can someone (Jay T.?) check with the town to see who the Recreation Director is?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2008, 9:33 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Tally the baseball field cost</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">This all smells bad to me. At the very least, they seem to be making a choice to keep the facts vague to the public. Is the Rec Director a Cranbury employee, volunteer committee member, county position or does it really refer to someone affiliated with Babe Ruth? Or is it an official position at all? Who are they? Why does a well established league like Babe Ruth, with decades of experience and very precise requirements not agree with the need for the more space but this anonymous rec. director trups them? Why does the TC jump reflexively at the word "safety" without further scrutinizing these facts? It is one thing for the public to do so, but they are elected to be level-headed and dig deeper in the defense of our Township funds and actual welfare.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Rec. Dir?</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2008, 7:59 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Tally the baseball field cost</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I found it odd that the Recreation Director did not even show up at the meeting to explain the details.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cranbury Conservative</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2008, 7:43 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Ball field fence being moved was approved tonight....</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Cranbury Conservative wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">The fence being moved was approved and the reason stated was it was a safety issue. The less of the two bids was chosen and it was for $19,270. <br /> <br />All five TC members voted yes because it was a safety issue. Wayne however wanted to be on the record that he was never for the field in the first place, however since this was a saftey issue at this point he had to vote yes. <br /> <br /> <br />I will post more details later when I have more time.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />What "safety issue" exactly? And if the fence is unsafe, which is true -- that they specified an unsafe fence design from the beginning (who did that and why?) or that the builder didn't install it correctly?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The safety issue as decribed was the there was not enough foul area and someone could run into the fence. Further this was as per the Babe Ruth design and the person referenced as having the issue with the fence was the Recreation Director. I could not find the Recreation Directors name on the towns web site.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jay T.</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2008, 7:23 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Tally the baseball field cost</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">This is another example of why we have to hold Pari and David responsible and can't re-elect them. Pari was in charge of this project and if there was supposed to have been and should have been a meeting with the Rec. Dir. and the Engineer it was her role to ensure it occured. Now, we have a 20,000 mistake because of her lack of oversight. <br /> <br />I am concerned that the fence meets the rules, the engineer approves, and now a Rec. Dir. who is neither an official in the league nor an engineer is able to make the call and spend our money. What's worse is that our TC takes his word over the league standards and engineer, when he/she could be wrong. That person should have been at the meeting to explain the specific concern they had about the fence. <br /> <br />Also, one wonder's if this is just an excuse because the league had questioned the fencing prior and making a change for change's sake may have proven difficult. But, no one can say safety is not an issue.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2008, 11:24 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Tally the baseball field cost</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I didn't even know Cranbury had a recreation director. But since we apparently do, why didn't they review the plans before construction began and made all their notes then? In the real world of business, executives usually don't get to come in after the fact when they should have spoken up during the requirements phase and suddenly say they want changes they could have made on paper, and in this case would have had a responsiblity to do so...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2008, 11:20 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Ball field fence being moved was approved tonight....</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Cranbury Conservative wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">The fence being moved was approved and the reason stated was it was a safety issue. The less of the two bids was chosen and it was for $19,270. <br /> <br />All five TC members voted yes because it was a safety issue. Wayne however wanted to be on the record that he was never for the field in the first place, however since this was a saftey issue at this point he had to vote yes. <br /> <br /> <br />I will post more details later when I have more time.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />What "safety issue" exactly? And if the fence is unsafe, which is true -- that they specified an unsafe fence design from the beginning (who did that and why?) or that the builder didn't install it correctly?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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