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[quote="Guest"][quote="Guest"]Mr. Frohbeiter, your beloved George Bush and his ilk caused the trillions of dollars deficit due for the most part to his unjust wars. If you were a student of history you would also realize that the Wall Street bailout was imperative so that our whole economy would not collapse. I have read your letters to the editors over the years and am always amazed by the fact that you are only concerned about your own pocketbook and have never made it a point to understand the basic fundamentals of the subjects that you profess to know so much about. Scott Siprelle is nothing but a wealthy investor who wants to be President.[/quote] You are confusing deficit versus debt. The deficit is the annual gap between what the government collects versus what it spends. The debt is the cumulative amount owed from all those deficits over the years. Obama was the first president to have a deficit in excess of a trillion dollars, though in fairness the circumstances were unique. And you are attributing too much of the total contribution to the cost of the wars and exclusively to latter Bush. In fact, Reagan and the first Bush also contributed substantially to the debt and it was Reagan who first starting the exponentially mushrooming of national debt, as a matter of policy, when he reduced taxes but increased spending (he famously said our national “debt is good for the economy”). That has continued ever since, except briefly during the Clinton administration. But you are certainly correct that we had no justification for invading Iraq, which had absolutely nothing to do with defending against terrorism and in fact made the terrorist threat worse. And you are correct that most of our debt was created by the big spending, big government Republican administrations. Obama’s term is certainly making it worse, but he inherited the vast majority of it from Republicans. (Curious that Republicans against the debt now didn’t have an issue with it then?) As for the Wall Street bail-out it’s interesting to note, with the hindsight of history, that it will have cost us very little. We invested over a trillion dollars in those bail-outs but the final tab is in the low tens-of-billions (smaller than many entitlement programs you’ve never heard of) and most of that is the small portion that went not to Wall Street but to the auto industry. Almost every bank and finance firm that was bailed out will have either paid it back or the government will have made it back by selling shares it received from the bailout. The profits made off these sales are offsetting most of the rest of the losses from the small percent of banks that still failed. I think the bank reform didn’t go nearly far enough and Wall Street got off with a minor wrist-slap and is already clearly back to the same risky tricks that could cause this all to happen again. But it would be inaccurate to say the government or taxpayers lost much in that bail-out.[/quote]
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Guest
Posted: Thu, Oct 21 2010, 9:48 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
The tea party is just the gop with a new brand!
Guest
Posted: Thu, Oct 21 2010, 8:54 pm EDT
Post subject: Origins of the Tea Party
We've had some krazy missinformantion here about the original tea party at Cranbury and what the nantional movement has warped into recently. To set the record straight I wanted to post this article from the founder of the movement and his comments about how its been warped by Palin and gang into something that it was totally against, anyway its a good read:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/tea-party-founder-slams-tea-party/
Guest
Posted: Wed, Oct 20 2010, 8:56 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
Well Scooter, your responses have become weak and boring. See you at the club... And remember, I like my water with lemon, and just a little ice.
Remember..................don't drink yellow ice!
Guest
Posted: Wed, Oct 20 2010, 6:29 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Well Scooter, your responses have become weak and boring. See you at the club... And remember, I like my water with lemon, and just a little ice.
Guest
Posted: Wed, Oct 20 2010, 6:10 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
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You're wasting your time with Mr. Upper Class Snot who is comfortably numb in his cushy, oak-panelled world.
I can picture him now in his crushed velvet smoking jacket and his snifter of cognac laughing gleefully while he pounds away on his gold-plated keyboard.
"I think I'll buy some IBM tomorrow", he says with a haughty smirk.
You nailed it! How did you know? Your 2 dimensional view of the world will serve you well. There are rich people (AKA bad people) and there are poor people (AKA the good people). Fortunately for you, your sarcastic attitude, artistic dreams and refusal to give in to "the man", will land you a low-wage, dead-end job where you can spend the rest of your life glomming off your parents and your Uncle Sam without fear of becoming one of those evil rich people.
We know that you root for Ebeneezer Scrooge, Gordon Gekko, and Mr Potter from Its a Wonderful Life!
Guest
Posted: Wed, Oct 20 2010, 9:31 am EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
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You're wasting your time with Mr. Upper Class Snot who is comfortably numb in his cushy, oak-panelled world.
I can picture him now in his crushed velvet smoking jacket and his snifter of cognac laughing gleefully while he pounds away on his gold-plated keyboard.
"I think I'll buy some IBM tomorrow", he says with a haughty smirk.
You nailed it! How did you know? Your 2 dimensional view of the world will serve you well. There are rich people (AKA bad people) and there are poor people (AKA the good people). Fortunately for you, your sarcastic attitude, artistic dreams and refusal to give in to "the man", will land you a low-wage, dead-end job where you can spend the rest of your life glomming off your parents and your Uncle Sam without fear of becoming one of those evil rich people.
OMG!!!!!!!
How did you know all of that?
Did you put a camera in my house?
Seriously.................did you???
Guest
Posted: Wed, Oct 20 2010, 9:28 am EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
You're wasting your time with Mr. Upper Class Snot who is comfortably numb in his cushy, oak-panelled world.
I can picture him now in his crushed velvet smoking jacket and his snifter of cognac laughing gleefully while he pounds away on his gold-plated keyboard.
"I think I'll buy some IBM tomorrow", he says with a haughty smirk.
You nailed it! How did you know? Your 2 dimensional view of the world will serve you well. There are rich people (AKA bad people) and there are poor people (AKA the good people). Fortunately for you, your sarcastic attitude, artistic dreams and refusal to give in to "the man", will land you a low-wage, dead-end job where you can spend the rest of your life glomming off your parents and your Uncle Sam without fear of becoming one of those evil rich people.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 11:11 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
You're wasting your time with Mr. Upper Class Snot who is comfortably numb in his cushy, oak-panelled world.
I can picture him now in his crushed velvet smoking jacket and his snifter of cognac laughing gleefully while he pounds away on his gold-plated keyboard.
"I think I'll buy some IBM tomorrow", he says with a haughty smirk.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 10:44 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
I would love to see all of you rich insensitive people knocked senseless, have amnesia, and be left homeless on Perry Street in the middle of Trenton in the winter without a coat. Then let's see how you really feel about not having a government safety net or anyone else to help you out.
Funny, I was just wondering how far your big mouth and lilly white ideology would get you under the same set of circumstances. After you pee your pants in a panic and flag down a cop who busts your cold, wet butt for the weed in your pocket and tosses you in a holding cell with a bunch of your new friends from the hood, how long will it take you to call an "insensitive jerk" to bail you out?
Grow up Scooter! You're out of your league.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 10:19 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
I would love to see all of you rich insensitive people knocked senseless, have amnesia, and be left homeless on Perry Street in the middle of Trenton in the winter without a coat. Then let's see how you really feel about not having a government safety net or anyone else to help you out.
Get off your soapbox. There's a lot of room between where we are today and eliminating ALL government safety nets and social support systems. I'll bet most of the people you're spouting off about give way more time and money to charity than you.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 10:18 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
I would love to see all of you rich insensitive people knocked senseless, have amnesia, and be left homeless on Perry Street in the middle of Trenton in the winter without a coat. Then let's see how you really feel about not having a government safety net or anyone else to help you out.
Again, ignoring all the facts and specific questions you were asked. 50% of people don't pay taxes but 50% of people are not homeless on Perry Street. There is plenty of safety net without taxing the upper-middle class more while expecting half the people to contribute nothing. No one said anything about no "safety net." The argument is over how big it is an how few people have to hold it for everyone else. Yes, we pay for that safety net but we are insensitive jerks because apparently we don't agree a few people should have to pay even more while no one else does.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 9:47 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
I would love to see all of you rich insensitive people knocked senseless, have amnesia, and be left homeless on Perry Street in the middle of Trenton in the winter without a coat. Then let's see how you really feel about not having a government safety net or anyone else to help you out.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 6:32 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
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Whadda ya gonna do, tax the poor?
What's so wrong with taxing the "poor" their fair share? Of course, they'll get most of their taxes back in services. However, if anyone should have the government managing the lion's share of their money, shouldn't it be the people who rely on the government to pick up the tab?
Traditionally, the poor have no money!
Our government has a broad definition of "poor people". Everyone should pay taxes, otherwise there is no incentive to spend wisely. .
WOW!
You must've taken the short bus to go to school!!!!!!!!!!
You are officially a numbnut!
And you're even less credible that Rush, Glen or Sarah. All you can do to support your case is throw cliche insults? I notice you have nothing to say when asked direct questions from previous posters citing facts about taxes. All you have is your demagoguery which puts you on par with the worst of the “tea baggers” you disparage.
You're taking yourself WAY too seriously, Zippy!
This is just some stupid municipal chat board. Nobody cares what goes on in here.
Rant away, Zip!
We know that you like to show off your grasp of mundane, arcane useless knowledge, but, nobody really gives a rat's fat arse about it.
Now now Scooter. That isn't very nice. For now, you may be a "poor" witless troll, but someday you're going to have a real job and real responsibilities and you might not be so glib about the real taxes you're going to have to pay when you're making your own real money. Now finish up your homework and get to bed! Your education is costing me a fortune.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 5:15 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
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Whadda ya gonna do, tax the poor?
What's so wrong with taxing the "poor" their fair share? Of course, they'll get most of their taxes back in services. However, if anyone should have the government managing the lion's share of their money, shouldn't it be the people who rely on the government to pick up the tab? How many times have you seen a welfare recipient with a new leather jacket, $100 pair of shoes, a satellite dish or a new blackberry?
Traditionally, the poor have no money!
It's tough to get money from people who don't really have any. Maybe, the poor are better off in your neighborhood?
Our government has a broad definition of "poor people". Everyone should pay taxes, otherwise there is no incentive to spend wisely. Look at the abbott districts, they spend the state's money like water. Do you think New Brunswick High would have cost $150 million if a reasonable percentage of the cost was borne by local tax payers?
PS- just for kicks and giggles, drive through a city full of poor people and look at all the satellite dishes.
WOW!
You must've taken the short bus to go to school!!!!!!!!!!
You are officially a numbnut!
And you're even less credible that Rush, Glen or Sarah. All you can do to support your case is throw cliche insults? I notice you have nothing to say when asked direct questions from previous posters citing facts about taxes. All you have is your demagoguery which puts you on par with the worst of the “tea baggers” you disparage.
You're taking yourself WAY too seriously, Zippy!
This is just some stupid municipal chat board. Nobody cares what goes on in here.
Rant away, Zip!
We know that you like to show off your grasp of mundane, arcane useless knowledge, but, nobody really gives a rat's fat arse about it.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 3:59 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
They are NOT cliche insults.................they are original!
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 10:18 am EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
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Guest wrote:
Whadda ya gonna do, tax the poor?
What's so wrong with taxing the "poor" their fair share? Of course, they'll get most of their taxes back in services. However, if anyone should have the government managing the lion's share of their money, shouldn't it be the people who rely on the government to pick up the tab? How many times have you seen a welfare recipient with a new leather jacket, $100 pair of shoes, a satellite dish or a new blackberry?
Traditionally, the poor have no money!
It's tough to get money from people who don't really have any. Maybe, the poor are better off in your neighborhood?
Our government has a broad definition of "poor people". Everyone should pay taxes, otherwise there is no incentive to spend wisely. Look at the abbott districts, they spend the state's money like water. Do you think New Brunswick High would have cost $150 million if a reasonable percentage of the cost was borne by local tax payers?
PS- just for kicks and giggles, drive through a city full of poor people and look at all the satellite dishes.
WOW!
You must've taken the short bus to go to school!!!!!!!!!!
You are officially a numbnut!
And you're even less credible that Rush, Glen or Sarah. All you can do to support your case is throw cliche insults? I notice you have nothing to say when asked direct questions from previous posters citing facts about taxes. All you have is your demagoguery which puts you on par with the worst of the “tea baggers” you disparage.