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[quote="cranbury liberal"][quote="publius"]You can always tell if someone is a republican. For some strange reason, they have NO ability to dance or even move to a musical beat. Why is that?[/quote] Uh oh. I'm a Democrat but that would describe me to. Am I living a lie? Is it time to accept I'm a closet Republican? ...[/quote]
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publius
Posted: Sat, Sep 6 2008, 8:14 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
I look at the facts, but my intuition leads me to believe that Obama is the leader of the future. McCain, though he has done some good work in the past, is too tightly tied to the kooky wing of his party. Maybe, he was a maverick and independent once upon a time, but, I think he is stuck in the past and nothing new will happen. It's just my instinct and intuition speaking. I'm sick of the divide and conquer strategy of Rove and his minions. We either have to come together, or we will most assuredly, come apart.
Guest
Posted: Sat, Sep 6 2008, 6:22 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
publius wrote:
Also, Palin said that she was ...
Hey Publius let's discuss the Presidency and specifics about McCain and Obama. I know less about him then I do about the Veeps, and they are more important this Nov to understand better.
publius
Posted: Sat, Sep 6 2008, 4:18 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
Also, Palin said that she was against the Bridge to Nowhere (after she was for it) but she decided to keep the money for other purposes. Don't let the smoke & mirror show fool you. Alaska THRIVES on gov. handouts. As well as subsidies from oil companies. They get it from both ends at the same time.
But, the loony-tunes will not discuss that. They will prattle on about how cute her family is and how she can field dress a moose. Thats a skill that EVERY potential president should have. RIGHT?
mrfun
Posted: Sat, Sep 6 2008, 4:13 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
If George Washington ran for office today, he would've been done in by The Durhamboat Veterans for Truthe! Who was the 18th century version of Karl Rove anyway?
publius
Posted: Sat, Sep 6 2008, 2:38 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
LOL!
I tried watching the rnc snoozfest, and everytime they played some music the attendees would make an attempt to move in time with the vibrating sounds coming from the loudspeakers!
I believe that it's called MUSIC.
Maybe, the anal retentiveness has them in it's fateful grip?
They tried to electrify the audience with a speech from Fred Thompson, but he didn't gather up enough energy to static cling a Kleenex. Very amusing.
cranbury liberal
Posted: Sat, Sep 6 2008, 12:39 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
publius wrote:
You can always tell if someone is a republican.
For some strange reason, they have NO ability to dance or even move to a musical beat.
Why is that?
Uh oh. I'm a Democrat but that would describe me to. Am I living a lie? Is it time to accept I'm a closet Republican? ...
publius
Posted: Sat, Sep 6 2008, 9:57 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
You can always tell if someone is a republican.
For some strange reason, they have NO ability to dance or even move to a musical beat.
Why is that?
Historically Fiscal
Posted: Sat, Sep 6 2008, 12:08 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
To some its boring to follow the track record of a political candidate. This shows weakness given how easy it is to research on the internet, but the best US presidents in history may not be the best on TV or in front of the mic today. I bet if George Washington was around today he would never have cut the mustard in our libral Media because of his false teeth and military background. Or if Lincoln was on stage yesterday instead of McCain, would he be viable because he was a maverick and became the first Republican candidate to oppose the unpopular slavery causes? Its not sexy enough for TV. But are today issues any less important with rouge nuclear nations and the global economy.
I wonder why the past record of a candidate is less important then personal tribulations? Why doesnt prior civil duty and a voting record/authoring legislation play a bigger role for Voters and on the NEWS? There is more info on Wikipedia then on CNN or the news about the real resume of how these two have affected your life in the past and what their decision making will be for your future. What has your candidate done for you?
To me we sell more media time and newspapers because of the sideshow with Palin. And when a candidate is builtup to be the next Kennedy on national TV with little to no record in Washington, it makes for a good show and sells a lot of airtime. But does this convention carnival show on TV make us better citizen voters? Does it help make Washington better?
I think the first place to fix Washington is right at Home, go get educated about your candidate and find out what he has already done to make your life better. Future promises are easy to make but what prior legislation and deeds have either Obama or McCain enacted that have affected you? I agree that should be a primary consideration.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Sep 5 2008, 5:32 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
I hate the way both parties are trying to peddle the candidates frankly. It’s the same old message on both sides.
The Republicans are running on a fear platform, fear of new Russia, Terrorism and bigger government/taxes.
The Democrates are running on a Change platform, but change to what? Change can be good or Bad. Obama has had 2 years in senate, and the others in his party have been in office far longer, and what is the result in the past 8 years? Not all of our problems can be blamed on the president, that's why our forefathers created three legs of our government in Washington (President, The Senate and the House) they all have a hand in how the last 8 years have gone --- so what has Obama and the democrats changed?
I'm giving Obama another few years in the senate to show me what he can change, and will go with the record of what McCain has done. I frankly can not vote for a smooth talking politician with an unknown record of change. Too many have promised change without showing or doing anything prior. Talk is cheap.
Has anyone else noticed how hard HOLLYWOOD glitzyed up the Democratic convention? or was that supposed to be a Rock concert? And the Republicans were beat challenged during Barracuda song
But I do hate the direction of US politics lately. On one hand its an alter to either Jesus on the other its Elvis, maybe someone will enact a law to turn off the TV and read about your candidates on the Internet instead. So voters will know what they have done in the past and future, instead of these sound bytes and TV spots. How has either already changed my life is how I will vote this Nov.
As far as Palin and Stout, we should instead be comparing Palin record to Corzine's. Partisanship is the major problem in our local NJ government and one person can change that. Its a shame that we dont have stronger local representatives, but I will meet with one at the Cranbury day at Baroni's booth. I'm stopping by to thank him for his support and will let Linda and the others know my disgust of what they are doing to NJ and cranbury.
publius
Posted: Fri, Sep 5 2008, 3:22 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
But, does Stout speak in tongues and take up serpents?
I know that all "good" republicans do that these days.
Don't forget about The Rapture!
Guest
Posted: Thu, Sep 4 2008, 12:37 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
Guest wrote:
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dislike her unethical behavior once elected (e.g., firing decent people who does not share her view or obey her unethical commands)."
Who did she fire (and how do you know they are decent?) and what unethical commands?
1. Anchorage Daily News:
"Palin staff pushed to have trooper fired"
http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492964.html
Quote:
Gov. Sarah Palin on Wednesday revealed an audio recording that shows an aide pressuring the Public Safety Department to fire a state trooper embroiled in a custody battle with her sister.
The Public Safety Commissioner refused to carry out Palin's command to fire the trooper. The Commissioner was fired.
(I assume the trooper and the Commissioner are decent, and the command to fire the trooper is unethical.)
2. Time
"Mayor Palin: A Rough Record"
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html
Quote:
Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.
The librarian was fired, rehired because of protests, and then resigned. I assume the librarian is a decent person.
3. Read the first comment about Palin:
http://www.washingtonindependent.com/3671/the-reform-candidate
Quote:
During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running
this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been
pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had
gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had
given rise to a recall campaign.
Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6
years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over
33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the
City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation
(1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a
regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she
promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they
benefited residents.
The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration
weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it
with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage
the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said
she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a
new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a
multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece
of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was
still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers
involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the
community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it
would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that
could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.
While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office
redecorated more than once.
These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.
Guest
Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2008, 9:42 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
I disagree. Mayor Stout has made himself a public figure and it is actually the responsibility of the citizens in a Democracy to scrutinize the actions and motivations of its public officials.
That said, I agree it is unnecessary and distasteful to get personal. For example, I think the accusations about Palin's daugher really being the mother of Palin's youngest child was inappropriate.
But I just re-read the original post and didn't find anything "personal" about it. I think the closest to it was the "dictator" comment but that's not exactly personal. If we want to challenge the original post we should do so with facts. Can anyone challenge the assertions? If it isn't a point of fact that Mayor Stout has taken political party affiliation into account in making appointments or that it wasn't in fact a tradition for the TC to take turns as Mayor or that he hasn't pursued multiple new public projects then someone should post a response.
As James and CC say, the Township should be nonpartisan. But Mayor Stout appears to be the instigator of making it partisan so doesn't reserving this start with taking on Mayor Stout? And isn't the most productive way to do this in a Democracy to raise public awareness of the issue?
Cranbury Conservative
Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2008, 8:56 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
I agree with James the original post is raw to say the least.
As for the current TC yes there are the 3 on the TC with a personal agenda which may not always be in the best interest of our town.
This November we have a chance to Elect Win Cody and then next year we have two more open seats as well on the TC. With this we have an opportunity to help Cranbury look to both its past and its future. By that we have a chance to make the TC more bipartisan or apolitical as James put it and have people on the TC who are there to serve the town and its resident’s in their best interests which represents the best of the past and the future of our town.
Like I said it all starts with Win Cody this November.
James
Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2008, 7:28 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
This board is entering a slippery slope and I am a bit concerned.
I don't disagree about some of the comments, but as the other person stated Mr. Stout is a resident and a fellow citizen in Cranbury. He should be treated like any other resident and shown respect as we would ask about ourselves on this forum. Not as Mayor or TC holder, but as a resident. You can disagree with the actions of a person on our TC, the TC as a whole or select members, but we don't need to get personal. The tone of the original post I think was a bit personal and over the top.
We need to focus on making Cranbury apolitical again, I agree there is no doubt that this goal MUST be achieved. Yes, some on our TC have gone too far in politicizing our town boards and offices. However, I don't think personal statements about individuals serving on or running for TC is really appropriate in terms of achieving that goal.
Guest
Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2008, 6:24 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
Ouch - I think you are a bit harsh. Remember, he is member of this community too.
Guest
Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2008, 6:21 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Stout & Palin – Opposite sides of the same coin?
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dislike her unethical behavior once elected (e.g., firing decent people who does not share her view or obey her unethical commands)."
Who did she fire (and how do you know they are decent?) and what unethical commands?