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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-97on</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jan 10 2014, 11:12 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-26o4 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Please go read the transcripts from the zoning meetings before condemning anyone. The zoning board did not try to stop this and, contrary to that "news" clip, they did not consider this a commercial activity. If you care to get involved (as zoning board members as citizens do by volunteering 5-10 hours a month as they try to make their best decisions based on the professional guidance), please at the very least get the facts straight.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />LOL. I'm glad you put "news" in quotes. A real news source would have tried to interview someone from the Township or Zoning Board or one of the many people who appealed to the town to do something about the annual display. They literally took one parties word for it on what the dispute was about. Seems like some people on this site are too. <br /> <br />This thing was much bigger than the Zoning Board or Township Zoning Officer who got caught in the middle. There were two nights of hearings on this with packed rooms full of people on both sides. I had Cranbury friends chewing off my ear about it, many against the display, and people making their case on Facebook, etc. To suggest this was some government body overstepping for no reason than the be spiteful or busybodies is silly. The Township didn't seek out the mess, they had to react to complaints from local citizens. Now you can quibble over whether they interpreted the laws or their mandate correctly, but they didm what their legal advisors recommended and not because they personally had any agenda against it. <br /> <br />Glad it worked out. I enjoy seeing it each year. Of course I don't live near it and didn't have to deal with the traffic and property destruction some people did.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-26o4</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jan 10 2014, 10:14 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Please go read the transcripts from the zoning meetings before condemning anyone. The zoning board did not try to stop this and, contrary to that "news" clip, they did not consider this a commercial activity. If you care to get involved (as zoning board members as citizens do by volunteering 5-10 hours a month as they try to make their best decisions based on the professional guidance), please at the very least get the facts straight.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-1375</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jan 10 2014, 10:00 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">This town should embrace what the Shaws do. If more people would even attempt to do good in this world we would all be much better off. Shame on anyone (zoning board) who would try to stop something good like this. Six thousand dollars to help people in need that is great way to go Shaws.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>iamawino</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Jan 9 2014, 5:00 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Our Family would like to thank the many neighbors who came to help with both setup and take down. We would also like to thank all in Cranbury who came out and supported Christmas Spectacular on Main Street. We are so thankful for the overwhelming show of support we received by not only the vast majority of our neighbors but from residents all over town! <br /> <br />Despite the parking issue and 12 less days than last year we ended up raising almost $6200.00! (Last year was $7000.00) . 100% of this was given to the food bank yesterday. They were so thankful! <br /> <br />Outside of the money this Christmas Display brought joy and peace to so many people. <br /> <br />We look forward to the 2014 Christmas Season! <br /> <br />Thank you from the Shaw Family!!!!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-921r</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Dec 24 2013, 8:50 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Thank you for doing this again this year and all the trouble b</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>iamawino</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Dec 19 2013, 7:13 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The weather is going to be GREAT tonight and tomorrow for coming out to Christmas Spectacular on Main Street. Please join us!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>iamawino</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Dec 14 2013, 4:09 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">For those brave enough to venture out tonight. Christmas Spectacular on Main Street is absolutely beautiful in the snow. We will have our fire pits going to for those able please join us!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>iamawino</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Dec 6 2013, 7:26 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">As a reminder tonight's concert is rain or shine. Please come out and help make this event a success! We will have tents up to keep you nice and dry!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-48r9</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Dec 4 2013, 2:41 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Not true on many counts. I was actually surprised that the hired consultant did not side with the zoning officer on the major issue and as far as the attorney they are only there as an advisory capacity and none of us know what happens behind closed doors in advising the Zoning Board. I agree the only person who made any comments in reference to law was John Hoffman who does not have to be a zoning attorney to understand the law. Also wrong on the people who spoke out. Yes it was close but more people spoke out in favor. Most important is that with the exception of 2 neighbors all others in that part of town spoke out in favor. Along the same point just because more people did not come out in favor does not mean they do not support it. Just ask your friends and neighbors if they take their kids to see it. Bottom line with this whole issue is that it should a never have even gone this way it is not a zoning issue.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-sp08</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Dec 4 2013, 1:35 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-48r9 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">what the posts above do not take into account for is the fact the zoning board did not rule on law. there is no way if the shaw's took this to an actual court that this decision would be up held it was very clear by the members decisions coments and lack of knowledge of the law. The only attorney on the board Mr Hoffman who knows the law explained very clearly what the ruling should have been. To be clear on the neighbors. There were only two who spoke against and many more for. All the others against were not neighbors.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Why are you repeating yourself?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-48r9</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Dec 4 2013, 1:23 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">what the posts above do not take into account for is the fact the zoning board did not rule on law. there is no way if the shaw's took this to an actual court that this decision would be up held it was very clear by the members decisions coments and lack of knowledge of the law. The only attorney on the board Mr Hoffman who knows the law explained very clearly what the ruling should have been. To be clear on the neighbors. There were only two who spoke against and many more for. All the others against were not neighbors.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-sp08</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Dec 4 2013, 12:22 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-48r9 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">what the posts above do not take into account for is the fact the zoning board did not rule on law. there is no way if the shaw's took this to an actual court that this decision would be up held it was very clear by the members decisions coments and lack of knowledge of the law. The only attorney on the board Mr Hoffman who knows the law explained very clearly what the ruling should have been. To be clear on the neighbors. There were only two who spoke against and many more for. All the others against were not neighbors.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You are leaving out that there is a paid zoning and planning attorney who sits in on the meetings and advises the Board, as well as a certified professional planner. I don't believe Mr. Hoffman was a zoning attorney, and he certainly isn't now. The Zoning Board members voted consistent with the expert advise they were receiving. The rest is your personal, probably non-expert speculation. The volume of Cranbury residents at the meeting opposed to the light show continuing without modification was at least on par with those supporting it. <br /> <br />Glad it worked out so the show can continue. I agree with the above poster that there's nothing served by trying to raise more muck about it again, and certainly not with deceptive posts.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-48r9</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Dec 4 2013, 9:43 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">what the posts above do not take into account for is the fact the zoning board did not rule on law. there is no way if the shaw's took this to an actual court that this decision would be up held it was very clear by the members decisions coments and lack of knowledge of the law. The only attorney on the board Mr Hoffman who knows the law explained very clearly what the ruling should have been. To be clear on the neighbors. There were only two who spoke against and many more for. All the others against were not neighbors.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-457r</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Dec 4 2013, 9:13 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It's small, but while I love the display I only have one issue. The singer is this Friday. We love hearing her, but the first Friday is always Santa at the firehouse and Town Christmas Tree lighting. This, I'll have to miss the singer this year. I appreciate your efforts Keith.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-97on</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Dec 4 2013, 8:43 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>zoningboardshouldbea-q4n3 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">The zoning officer and zoning board in this town should be ashamed of what they have done with this Christmas Display. To prove the point just watch the video of the ruling and board member Mike Dulin and the way he talks to the Shaws. Having served on many boards I know that you should not be addressing an applicant like that. Very unprofessional. Mr. Dulin should resign if that is the way he is going to conduct himself. Why isn't every charitable organization in town under the same scrutiny? <br /> <br /> <br />On my way home I saw all the cones near the Shaw house and understand the police department was forced to do this by the zoning officer. This is such overkill. I hope this community does what it does best and rallies around this Christmas Display and supports the charity. Like the display or not it is for a great cause, I agree with Mr. Shaw the only ones that are going to get hurt from this are the ones who really need it.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Personally I am someone who is only positively impacted by the display unlike the Shaw's immediate neighbors and who has enjoyed seeing it every year. Its become a family tradition and I applaud the Shaws. That said, your post seems to be ignoring the fact that they had two public hearings on this where the Zoning Board listened to everyone who wanted to speak and where many local community members spoke against the display and about the negative impact it was having on them, not just visually and with traffic, but damage to their properties. Your post makes it sound like this was some unilateral action of Board members and the Zoning officer at odds with the sentiment of the community and that just wasn't the case. <br /> <br />I am glad its been worked out so the light show can continue and remain grateful to the Shaws for doing it. But I don't see the point in trying to vilify those in the community that tried address the concerns of the neighbors, as was their job. <br /> <br />I suspect the Shaws had hoped to put this behind them and that this topic could remain positively focused. Your post just risks igniting the controversy again.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon;87-0qs4</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Dec 4 2013, 8:28 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christmas Spectacular on Main Street</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The problem is not with supporting a good organization nor folks in need, the problem is the effect it has on both the neighbors and the community as a whole. Cranbury is a place people moved to because of a simpler way of life with nice neighbors and a more civilized small town way of living. If we wanted to live in TIMES SQUARE with flasing lights and blareing music we would have stayed in NYC. ----Remember the saying is: PEACE on EARTH not Chaos on Earth</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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