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[quote="Guest"]Just to echo the above, I was the one stating that I felt the BOE needed to be sensitive to everyone and the economic situation to which at least one person kept jumping at me. I feel that they did a good job in looking the budget and have done exactly what I was stating should be done. It would have been nice if the teachers had agreed to no raise this year, but I am not sure it would have helped to keep at least one of the programs.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest 2</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Apr 1 2010, 10:09 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Isn't Governor Christie promised some retoration of aid if teachers agree to a wage freeze? So, it would not only be the savings in pay, but additional aid that we would gain....</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The town will only get back the amount that the state would have paid on Medicaire and Social Security on the foregone raise amount. So they would only give back something like 7% of the savings on the raises. So if we saved 25K (note that the teachers gave back salary and tuition reimbursement - so the amount referenced above in teacher give backs is not ALL salary -- only partly) the state would only give us back approx. 3% of that -- not much to write home about.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest 2</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Apr 1 2010, 10:05 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">French is only being cut in grades 1 & 2. Plenty of French left.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>mrfunone</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Apr 1 2010, 9:39 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Why are they cutting French? <br />SACRE BLEU! <br />All my kids take French, and they love the teacher. <br />How may we fight to keep French in our school?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Apr 1 2010, 10:12 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"><span style="font-size: 24px; line-height: normal"><span style="font-weight: bold">3.26 CENT TAX RATE INCREASE</span></span> <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">•Proposed Tax Rate General Fund</span> <br />88.84 cents per hundred dollars of assessed valuation <br />$5,485.25 per year to the average taxpayer (assessed at $617,439) <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">•Proposed Tax Rate Debt Service Fund</span> <br />5.38 cents per hundred dollars of assessed valuation <br />$331.90 per year to the average taxpayer (assessed at $617,439) <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">•Proposed Overall Tax Rate</span> <br />94.21 cents per hundred dollars of assessed valuation <br />$5,817.15 per year to the average taxpayer (assessed at $617,439) <br /> <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Tax Impact of Proposed Budget</span> <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold"> Assessed-----2010-11 <br /> Value----------Tax Increase</span> <br /> <br />$ 300,000----------$ 97.87 <br /> <br />$ 500,000----------$ 163.12 <br /> <br />$ 617,254----------$ 201.50 <br /> <br />$ 700,000----------$ 228.37 <br /> <br />$ 900,000----------$ 293.62 <br /> <br /><a href="http://portal.cranburyschool.org/boe/Budget%20Info/2010_11_PowerPoint.pdf" target="_blank">http://portal.cranburyschool.org/boe/Budget%20Info/2010_11_PowerPoint.pdf</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Apr 1 2010, 8:28 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Isn't Governor Christie promised some retoration of aid if teachers agree to a wage freeze? So, it would not only be the savings in pay, but additional aid that we would gain....</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Apr 1 2010, 7:20 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest 2 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Salary freeze would only ameliorate some cuts - not eliminate them. The amt. to be cut is BIG - a lot bigger than the raises.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Don't kid yourself, the total cost of a 2% salary increase across the board for both teachers and admin + the increase to the health care cost (which is paid by the district) amounts to a pretty significant cost to the district. This savings may not be able to eliminate all cuts, but would certainly lessen the impact on students. Thus far, a majority of the budget cuts directly impact students ie. teacher cuts, programs, and services. Admin & teacher salary freezes would not directly impact students, which I believe is the overall all goal, to minimize the impact on students. Ask yourself...why should a administrator or teacher be entitled to a raise in a year when there is a tremendous financial burden on the district?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You were obviously not at the meeting. The teachers gave back half of their raise plus all there education reimbursements only yielded around a hundred thousand dollars.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />A couple of things. <br /> <br />1) Salaries do not affect the health insurance costs those are fixed. I am not sure whether you meant that they increase or not if a person is given a raise. <br /> <br />2) What logic is Only Yielded around a hundred thousand dollars. If we assume half of that was raises then that means that a salary freeze would add another 50k. That means we could save a program or two or a teacher or two.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Apr 1 2010, 12:05 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest 2 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Salary freeze would only ameliorate some cuts - not eliminate them. The amt. to be cut is BIG - a lot bigger than the raises.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Don't kid yourself, the total cost of a 2% salary increase across the board for both teachers and admin + the increase to the health care cost (which is paid by the district) amounts to a pretty significant cost to the district. This savings may not be able to eliminate all cuts, but would certainly lessen the impact on students. Thus far, a majority of the budget cuts directly impact students ie. teacher cuts, programs, and services. Admin & teacher salary freezes would not directly impact students, which I believe is the overall all goal, to minimize the impact on students. Ask yourself...why should a administrator or teacher be entitled to a raise in a year when there is a tremendous financial burden on the district?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You were obviously not at the meeting. The teachers gave back half of their raise plus all there education reimbursements only yielded around a hundred thousand dollars.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2010, 11:04 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest 2 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Salary freeze would only ameliorate some cuts - not eliminate them. The amt. to be cut is BIG - a lot bigger than the raises.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Don't kid yourself, the total cost of a 2% salary increase across the board for both teachers and admin + the increase to the health care cost (which is paid by the district) amounts to a pretty significant cost to the district. This savings may not be able to eliminate all cuts, but would certainly lessen the impact on students. Thus far, a majority of the budget cuts directly impact students ie. teacher cuts, programs, and services. Admin & teacher salary freezes would not directly impact students, which I believe is the overall all goal, to minimize the impact on students. Ask yourself...why should a administrator or teacher be entitled to a raise in a year when there is a tremendous financial burden on the district?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2010, 8:35 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I do not think that there will be a salary freeze. If there was which programs would it be applied towards saving? What is important to me may not be important to others. <br />Also if there is a salary freeze now, then a few years down the road when things improve (fingers crossed) do the teachers get double raises to make up for it?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Why should they get double the raises? I got nothing last year and 1% this year. Should I expect triple if things improve next year?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2010, 7:55 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I do not think that there will be a salary freeze. If there was which programs would it be applied towards saving? What is important to me may not be important to others. <br />Also if there is a salary freeze now, then a few years down the road when things improve (fingers crossed) do the teachers get double raises to make up for it?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2010, 5:53 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I guess that is the question, how much would a salary freeze protect. Would it save the late bus? Would it save a teacher?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest 2</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2010, 5:17 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Salary freeze would only ameliorate some cuts - not eliminate them. The amt. to be cut is BIG - a lot bigger than the raises.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2010, 10:57 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Just curious, if there were a salary freeze, would we have to cut anything?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2010, 10:12 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I live in Cranbury. I moved here for the school. My household income is 400k(approx). I work in finance. I think it is fair to say that most of my immediate neighbors make around the same amount of money as I do. I have no problem paying teachers and cops. The salaries that they make is far less than what I make. Even with their pensions and benefits. A teacher with a masters degree making 80k after 15 years is not overpaid, even with a pension and health insurance. We have to be realistic. There needs to be some incentive for good people to go into teaching and other neccesary public service jobs like police.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Good for you, but I can tell you it will take me a few years to make that. My retired neighbor will never make that, nor will the mom next to me. <br /> <br />I think we need to consider all residents and the impact of taxes on all residents, not just those who make a ton and then feel that they want this and that because they can afford it. <br /> <br />It has nothing to do with are teachers paid high or low. A Cranbury teacher makes more than a Trenton teacher, but I would say the teacher in Trenton has a harder job. However, I think we attract better quality teachers and thus reward their quality.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2010, 10:07 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I live in Cranbury. I moved here for the school. My household income is 400k(approx). I work in finance. I think it is fair to say that most of my immediate neighbors make around the same amount of money as I do. I have no problem paying teachers and cops. The salaries that they make is far less than what I make. Even with their pensions and benefits. A teacher with a masters degree making 80k after 15 years is not overpaid, even with a pension and health insurance. We have to be realistic. There needs to be some incentive for good people to go into teaching and other neccesary public service jobs like police.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Being reasonable will get you nowhere on this board.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest3</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2010, 9:56 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened at the school budget hearing last night?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I'd rather a tax increase than private school. <br /> <br />Are they cutting the PTO clubs that we pay for or just the free ones?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />They are not cutting the PTO clubs that we pay for.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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