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[quote="Guest"]http://eastwindsor.patch.com/articles/letter-to-the-editor-thanks-follow-monument-dedication By Jay Taylor, Cranbury Township Committee On Saturday, June 11 the NJ Civil War Heritage Association, 14th NJ Company H dedicated and donated a memorial to the soldiers from Cranbury and the surrounding area to mark the 150th anniversary of the start of the Civil War. Those soldiers fought valiantly, sometimes sacrificing their own life to keep one unified nation. Therefore, it is with a great deal of sincerity and humbleness that I write this letter of thanks and appreciation to all those who helped organize and who attended the ceremony. It is with pride and honor that Cranbury welcomed approximately 250 residents, neighbors, descendants (from as far away as Texas) and state and neighboring town officials who all gave their time to be there on Saturday to give their respect to these former residents of our communities. The planning for the ceremony took almost two years and it was my privilege to support the individuals and groups who came together for this one common goal. To that end, I want to personally extend my thanks to a number of people and groups who made this event a success and the memorial a lasting tribute the memory of the brave soldiers from our community. The men and women of the NJCWHA and monument committee chair Bob Bisaccio. The NJCWHA not only donated the monument, but dedicated their time and resources to organizing the ceremony. The Cranbury Historical and Preservation Society and specifically President Audrey Smith. The Cranbury Parks Commission and specifically Tom Weidner, Pat Scott and Norma Swale. The Cranbury Public Works department, Jerry Thorne and Bruno Bertucci. The Cranbury Police Department, Chief Rickey Varga and the local CERT members who gave their time to help on Saturday. The Cranbury Volunteer Fire Company which donated soda, hot dogs and hamburgers to those in attendance. Andrew Zysk who as an Eagle Scout project installed the bluestone walk to the monument. The East Windsor Patch for covering the event. I can’t help but pause when I walk past Memorial Park now and reflect on the sacrifices made by friends, neighbors and our community to help protect our freedoms and country and how their influence helped make Cranbury the town it is today and hopefully will continue to be. Best Regards, Jay Taylor[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>publius</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 9:00 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">As in the words of Rodney King during the 1992 Los Angeles riots.........................................."Hey, man, stop beatin' me with your nightstick"!!!!!!!!!!!! <br /> <br />thank you.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jun 17 2011, 12:50 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You seem to enjoy making things up more than you accuse me of it. Despite that claim you didn't offer a single example of something I wrote that was made-up let alone proof of it. Yet you made up statements attributed to me that anyone reading back through this can clearly see I never made. You like to hyperbolize. I use the word partisan and by the time you quote me it is "extreme partisan.” Interestingly, just to make sure I didn’t use that word in a different context I did a search and the only time it was previously used was by you in referring to the Republican organization in the same sentence where you accused me of being part of it, even though I had already said in my first post that I was a registered Democrat. You have consistently used provocative name calling for the Republican org in your posts. I have not for either party. I have stuck with the facts. <br /> <br />By the way, I never stated the Democratic org previous acted exactly the same way as the Republican org is now in disparaging their own TC members. Another thing you made up. In fact I repeatedly said the opposite, pointing out their ongoing endorsement of their incumbents as an example of their support for the partisan policies of their TC members at the time. What I said was both parties play partisan games, just not the same way. And, no, I don’t think anyone who disagrees with me is partisan, just you so far. The poster after your last reply made total sense. <br /> <br />It doesn’t matter how many times you say it, your continued insistence to try and defend the Democratic organization as faultless while demonizing the Republican one speaks for itself. I don’t respect the actions of the current Republican org or the Democratic one during the Stout era. I have plenty of respect for all of the current TC members of both parties, despite the poor behavior during the budget process. There’s also some new blood in the Democratic org, but still some old blood too, so I am hopeful about that, though there is no way to really know how it will act until they are in the majority on the TC again.[/quo <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />You don't understand what I am arguing. I am not defending the Democratic organization. I am saying it is a contradiction in terms. De facto there is no Democratic organization. When no one is on the ballot a few democrats call each other in a panic. <br /> <br />You can dislike the way Stout Stannard and Stave did business, but there was no one telling them what to do. <br /> <br />I have not heard of a local party organization openly against candidates of their own party, vetoing highly qualified candidates from their own party until now. <br /> <br />My problem with your posts is that you are drawing a comparison between these actions and votes by Stout, Stannard, and Stave. We are talking completely different things.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Jun 16 2011, 4:30 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I forgot to add that I am bored of this back-and-forth with you. We disagree. We all get it. There is plenty for people to read and decide for themselves. You're welcome to keep making up claims about me and what I wrote if you want and I'll let the record speak for itself.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Jun 16 2011, 4:16 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I don't think we are talking about the same thing. The republican party org, are apparently playing politics and at war with republican elected officials. <br /> <br />When this thread was up in arms about Democratic party politics, they were refering to Democratic TC members. The local democratic party org (which by the way is a couple of people who are only heard from when no one is on the ballot) was not involved and had no stance. <br /> <br />Moreover if you know the people involved that was a fight between David Stout and a lot of people both republican and democrat. Knowing everyone involve that was a very personal fight and not a partisan one. <br /> <br />You are quick to accuse me of lacking objectivity. Here are the facts. I have NEVER heard the democratic org of Cranbury chime in on an issue or platform. The merely endorse candidates. Currently, according to republicans, the republican org is mad at the elected officials due to policy decisions. <br /> <br />Sorry you are in the middle of party warfare, but don't say this is typical politics in Cranbury, it is not. I don't recall this ever happening in either party.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Again you are being inconsistent in your interpretations. Technically the local Republican party org has done nothing unusual at all. Just like the Democratic org, they solicited and endorsed a write-in candidate. That's all they have officially done. And like your description of the Dem org, the Republican org is just a loose collection of a handful of people and does not speak for Republicans at large in the Township. They have done nothing to officially to condemn or "go to war" with Dan or Jay. Those who know them know that some of the hardcore arch conservatives, that aren’t representative of the mainstream Republicans in town at all, are unhappy about the budget vote and a couple trashed talked Dan and Jay conversationally. That's it. <br /> <br />I know all the TC members personally and have ties with both parties. It's simply not accurate to characterize the behavior of the Republican org. as somehow worse than that of the Dems when their members were most recently in the majority on the TC. I know for a fact that some of the same people who were in the local Dem party org were actively consulted by Stout, Stannard and Stave on some of their actions including how they handled the library and their strictly Democratic board and committee nominations. And when asked about the policies of the Stout’s group, the Democratic candidates expressed support for them. It’s history at this point, but it’s not objective to try and reinvent it to cast the current Republican politics as somehow more sinister. <br /> <br />But it’s clear you won’t be able to see it that way because of your personal perspective. I am comfortable leaving it to everyone else’s judgment. I say both party orgs have played politics. You say, oh no, just the Republican org does this and call it names and claim any politics on the part of Democratic leaders was the rogue actions of an individual while the actions of individual Republicans represents the official party. Gee, which sounds more objective…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />I like your style, when the facts don't match your story, make up your own facts. <br /> <br />The Cranbury democrats essentially have to organization. The republicans do. You had a gripe a couple of years ago about the actions of the elected democratic officials. Fine, but to conclude they were acting on the orders of the local democratic org is nuts. The current republican fight is over elected republicans acting against the orders of the local republican org. <br /> <br />I personally don't think either party should be giving orders to elected officials and I am glad Jay and Dan are acting on their own, but don't project current republican disfunction on the democrats it was never there. <br /> <br />It was never there in the republicans either. This is a problem of the last two years, it probably occured because of unhappiness with the Stout era democratic elected officials. Unfortunately, your zeal to get rid of the Stout era(a good thing) led the Republicans to adopt a more rigid party structure(a bad thing). I think you can sort this out, but stop saying this is how the democrats operate. <br /> <br />And by the way accusing everyone who points out who disagrees with you of extreme partisanship says more about you than them.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I don't think we are talking about the same thing. The republican party org, are apparently playing politics and at war with republican elected officials. <br /> <br />When this thread was up in arms about Democratic party politics, they were refering to Democratic TC members. The local democratic party org (which by the way is a couple of people who are only heard from when no one is on the ballot) was not involved and had no stance. <br /> <br />Moreover if you know the people involved that was a fight between David Stout and a lot of people both republican and democrat. Knowing everyone involve that was a very personal fight and not a partisan one. <br /> <br />You are quick to accuse me of lacking objectivity. Here are the facts. I have NEVER heard the democratic org of Cranbury chime in on an issue or platform. The merely endorse candidates. Currently, according to republicans, the republican org is mad at the elected officials due to policy decisions. <br /> <br />Sorry you are in the middle of party warfare, but don't say this is typical politics in Cranbury, it is not. I don't recall this ever happening in either party.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Again you are being inconsistent in your interpretations. Technically the local Republican party org has done nothing unusual at all. Just like the Democratic org, they solicited and endorsed a write-in candidate. That's all they have officially done. And like your description of the Dem org, the Republican org is just a loose collection of a handful of people and does not speak for Republicans at large in the Township. They have done nothing to officially to condemn or "go to war" with Dan or Jay. Those who know them know that some of the hardcore arch conservatives, that aren’t representative of the mainstream Republicans in town at all, are unhappy about the budget vote and a couple trashed talked Dan and Jay conversationally. That's it. <br /> <br />I know all the TC members personally and have ties with both parties. It's simply not accurate to characterize the behavior of the Republican org. as somehow worse than that of the Dems when their members were most recently in the majority on the TC. I know for a fact that some of the same people who were in the local Dem party org were actively consulted by Stout, Stannard and Stave on some of their actions including how they handled the library and their strictly Democratic board and committee nominations. And when asked about the policies of the Stout’s group, the Democratic candidates expressed support for them. It’s history at this point, but it’s not objective to try and reinvent it to cast the current Republican politics as somehow more sinister. <br /> <br />But it’s clear you won’t be able to see it that way because of your personal perspective. I am comfortable leaving it to everyone else’s judgment. I say both party orgs have played politics. You say, oh no, just the Republican org does this and call it names and claim any politics on the part of Democratic leaders was the rogue actions of an individual while the actions of individual Republicans represents the official party. Gee, which sounds more objective…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />I like your style, when the facts don't match your story, make up your own facts. <br /> <br />The Cranbury democrats essentially have to organization. The republicans do. You had a gripe a couple of years ago about the actions of the elected democratic officials. Fine, but to conclude they were acting on the orders of the local democratic org is nuts. The current republican fight is over elected republicans acting against the orders of the local republican org. <br /> <br />I personally don't think either party should be giving orders to elected officials and I am glad Jay and Dan are acting on their own, but don't project current republican disfunction on the democrats it was never there. <br /> <br />It was never there in the republicans either. This is a problem of the last two years, it probably occured because of unhappiness with the Stout era democratic elected officials. Unfortunately, your zeal to get rid of the Stout era(a good thing) led the Republicans to adopt a more rigid party structure(a bad thing). I think you can sort this out, but stop saying this is how the democrats operate. <br /> <br />And by the way accusing everyone who points out who disagrees with you of extreme partisanship says more about you than them.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You seem to enjoy making things up more than you accuse me of it. Despite that claim you didn't offer a single example of something I wrote that was made-up let alone proof of it. Yet you made up statements attributed to me that anyone reading back through this can clearly see I never made. You like to hyperbolize. I use the word partisan and by the time you quote me it is "extreme partisan.” Interestingly, just to make sure I didn’t use that word in a different context I did a search and the only time it was previously used was by you in referring to the Republican organization in the same sentence where you accused me of being part of it, even though I had already said in my first post that I was a registered Democrat. You have consistently used provocative name calling for the Republican org in your posts. I have not for either party. I have stuck with the facts. <br /> <br />By the way, I never stated the Democratic org previous acted exactly the same way as the Republican org is now in disparaging their own TC members. Another thing you made up. In fact I repeatedly said the opposite, pointing out their ongoing endorsement of their incumbents as an example of their support for the partisan policies of their TC members at the time. What I said was both parties play partisan games, just not the same way. And, no, I don’t think anyone who disagrees with me is partisan, just you so far. The poster after your last reply made total sense. <br /> <br />It doesn’t matter how many times you say it, your continued insistence to try and defend the Democratic organization as faultless while demonizing the Republican one speaks for itself. I don’t respect the actions of the current Republican org or the Democratic one during the Stout era. I have plenty of respect for all of the current TC members of both parties, despite the poor behavior during the budget process. There’s also some new blood in the Democratic org, but still some old blood too, so I am hopeful about that, though there is no way to really know how it will act until they are in the majority on the TC again.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Jun 16 2011, 4:11 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Cutting to the chase, I give Jay and Dan credit for having the fortitude and strength to keep working for the benefit of Cranbury and not worrying about the politics of their party. I look forward to seeing Jay and Dave re-elected in another year and Dan and Glen in 2. These 4 work well together and are only interested in the welfare of Cranbury.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Jun 16 2011, 2:13 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I don't think we are talking about the same thing. The republican party org, are apparently playing politics and at war with republican elected officials. <br /> <br />When this thread was up in arms about Democratic party politics, they were refering to Democratic TC members. The local democratic party org (which by the way is a couple of people who are only heard from when no one is on the ballot) was not involved and had no stance. <br /> <br />Moreover if you know the people involved that was a fight between David Stout and a lot of people both republican and democrat. Knowing everyone involve that was a very personal fight and not a partisan one. <br /> <br />You are quick to accuse me of lacking objectivity. Here are the facts. I have NEVER heard the democratic org of Cranbury chime in on an issue or platform. The merely endorse candidates. Currently, according to republicans, the republican org is mad at the elected officials due to policy decisions. <br /> <br />Sorry you are in the middle of party warfare, but don't say this is typical politics in Cranbury, it is not. I don't recall this ever happening in either party.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Again you are being inconsistent in your interpretations. Technically the local Republican party org has done nothing unusual at all. Just like the Democratic org, they solicited and endorsed a write-in candidate. That's all they have officially done. And like your description of the Dem org, the Republican org is just a loose collection of a handful of people and does not speak for Republicans at large in the Township. They have done nothing to officially to condemn or "go to war" with Dan or Jay. Those who know them know that some of the hardcore arch conservatives, that aren’t representative of the mainstream Republicans in town at all, are unhappy about the budget vote and a couple trashed talked Dan and Jay conversationally. That's it. <br /> <br />I know all the TC members personally and have ties with both parties. It's simply not accurate to characterize the behavior of the Republican org. as somehow worse than that of the Dems when their members were most recently in the majority on the TC. I know for a fact that some of the same people who were in the local Dem party org were actively consulted by Stout, Stannard and Stave on some of their actions including how they handled the library and their strictly Democratic board and committee nominations. And when asked about the policies of the Stout’s group, the Democratic candidates expressed support for them. It’s history at this point, but it’s not objective to try and reinvent it to cast the current Republican politics as somehow more sinister. <br /> <br />But it’s clear you won’t be able to see it that way because of your personal perspective. I am comfortable leaving it to everyone else’s judgment. I say both party orgs have played politics. You say, oh no, just the Republican org does this and call it names and claim any politics on the part of Democratic leaders was the rogue actions of an individual while the actions of individual Republicans represents the official party. Gee, which sounds more objective…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Let me add my view as I too am friends with committee people in both parties and consider myself independent. I have never seen a political party in Cranbury turn on their own elected officials like the Republicans have this year with Dan and Jay. I have received numerous emails from the party chair since the budget as I signed up at one Cranbury day and continue to receive emails. This is a fact and anyone on the email list with even a sense of impartiality sees these attacks. <br /> <br />On the Dem side there was an agenda in recent years at least one that was perceived which is why I voted for Win. They have/had a core following albeit a small one. However, to their credit they were able to do their strategy outside of the public area. <br /> <br />So yes there is from what I see organization on both sides of core people. There are also a majority of Reps and Dems in town who are oblivious to these small factions and could care less what views these groups have. The majority of residents don't care about the small party faithfuls and look for candidates who they trust which is why Karen and Susan can run on their own merits.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Jun 16 2011, 12:14 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">typo in second sentence, to should be no.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Jun 16 2011, 12:13 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I don't think we are talking about the same thing. The republican party org, are apparently playing politics and at war with republican elected officials. <br /> <br />When this thread was up in arms about Democratic party politics, they were refering to Democratic TC members. The local democratic party org (which by the way is a couple of people who are only heard from when no one is on the ballot) was not involved and had no stance. <br /> <br />Moreover if you know the people involved that was a fight between David Stout and a lot of people both republican and democrat. Knowing everyone involve that was a very personal fight and not a partisan one. <br /> <br />You are quick to accuse me of lacking objectivity. Here are the facts. I have NEVER heard the democratic org of Cranbury chime in on an issue or platform. The merely endorse candidates. Currently, according to republicans, the republican org is mad at the elected officials due to policy decisions. <br /> <br />Sorry you are in the middle of party warfare, but don't say this is typical politics in Cranbury, it is not. I don't recall this ever happening in either party.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Again you are being inconsistent in your interpretations. Technically the local Republican party org has done nothing unusual at all. Just like the Democratic org, they solicited and endorsed a write-in candidate. That's all they have officially done. And like your description of the Dem org, the Republican org is just a loose collection of a handful of people and does not speak for Republicans at large in the Township. They have done nothing to officially to condemn or "go to war" with Dan or Jay. Those who know them know that some of the hardcore arch conservatives, that aren’t representative of the mainstream Republicans in town at all, are unhappy about the budget vote and a couple trashed talked Dan and Jay conversationally. That's it. <br /> <br />I know all the TC members personally and have ties with both parties. It's simply not accurate to characterize the behavior of the Republican org. as somehow worse than that of the Dems when their members were most recently in the majority on the TC. I know for a fact that some of the same people who were in the local Dem party org were actively consulted by Stout, Stannard and Stave on some of their actions including how they handled the library and their strictly Democratic board and committee nominations. And when asked about the policies of the Stout’s group, the Democratic candidates expressed support for them. It’s history at this point, but it’s not objective to try and reinvent it to cast the current Republican politics as somehow more sinister. <br /> <br />But it’s clear you won’t be able to see it that way because of your personal perspective. I am comfortable leaving it to everyone else’s judgment. I say both party orgs have played politics. You say, oh no, just the Republican org does this and call it names and claim any politics on the part of Democratic leaders was the rogue actions of an individual while the actions of individual Republicans represents the official party. Gee, which sounds more objective…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />I like your style, when the facts don't match your story, make up your own facts. <br /> <br />The Cranbury democrats essentially have to organization. The republicans do. You had a gripe a couple of years ago about the actions of the elected democratic officials. Fine, but to conclude they were acting on the orders of the local democratic org is nuts. The current republican fight is over elected republicans acting against the orders of the local republican org. <br /> <br />I personally don't think either party should be giving orders to elected officials and I am glad Jay and Dan are acting on their own, but don't project current republican disfunction on the democrats it was never there. <br /> <br />It was never there in the republicans either. This is a problem of the last two years, it probably occured because of unhappiness with the Stout era democratic elected officials. Unfortunately, your zeal to get rid of the Stout era(a good thing) led the Republicans to adopt a more rigid party structure(a bad thing). I think you can sort this out, but stop saying this is how the democrats operate. <br /> <br />And by the way accusing everyone who points out who disagrees with you of extreme partisanship says more about you than them.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Jun 16 2011, 12:01 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I don't think we are talking about the same thing. The republican party org, are apparently playing politics and at war with republican elected officials. <br /> <br />When this thread was up in arms about Democratic party politics, they were refering to Democratic TC members. The local democratic party org (which by the way is a couple of people who are only heard from when no one is on the ballot) was not involved and had no stance. <br /> <br />Moreover if you know the people involved that was a fight between David Stout and a lot of people both republican and democrat. Knowing everyone involve that was a very personal fight and not a partisan one. <br /> <br />You are quick to accuse me of lacking objectivity. Here are the facts. I have NEVER heard the democratic org of Cranbury chime in on an issue or platform. The merely endorse candidates. Currently, according to republicans, the republican org is mad at the elected officials due to policy decisions. <br /> <br />Sorry you are in the middle of party warfare, but don't say this is typical politics in Cranbury, it is not. I don't recall this ever happening in either party.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Again you are being inconsistent in your interpretations. Technically the local Republican party org has done nothing unusual at all. Just like the Democratic org, they solicited and endorsed a write-in candidate. That's all they have officially done. And like your description of the Dem org, the Republican org is just a loose collection of a handful of people and does not speak for Republicans at large in the Township. They have done nothing to officially to condemn or "go to war" with Dan or Jay. Those who know them know that some of the hardcore arch conservatives, that aren’t representative of the mainstream Republicans in town at all, are unhappy about the budget vote and a couple trashed talked Dan and Jay conversationally. That's it. <br /> <br />I know all the TC members personally and have ties with both parties. It's simply not accurate to characterize the behavior of the Republican org. as somehow worse than that of the Dems when their members were most recently in the majority on the TC. I know for a fact that some of the same people who were in the local Dem party org were actively consulted by Stout, Stannard and Stave on some of their actions including how they handled the library and their strictly Democratic board and committee nominations. And when asked about the policies of the Stout’s group, the Democratic candidates expressed support for them. It’s history at this point, but it’s not objective to try and reinvent it to cast the current Republican politics as somehow more sinister. <br /> <br />But it’s clear you won’t be able to see it that way because of your personal perspective. I am comfortable leaving it to everyone else’s judgment. I say both party orgs have played politics. You say, oh no, just the Republican org does this and call it names and claim any politics on the part of Democratic leaders was the rogue actions of an individual while the actions of individual Republicans represents the official party. Gee, which sounds more objective…</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Jun 16 2011, 11:13 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Maybe a good bumper sticker message for any TC candidate is: <br /> <br />"Cranbury First, Party Politics Last"</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Jun 16 2011, 11:02 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Good observation. And here is a repercussion. A number of independent, but conservative leaning foks I have spoken with are truly disappointed in the current state of affairs. It's perhaps premature to lean toward either of the two candidates, since they have not yet announced their platforms. But a number of people are dis-inclined to support the party politics that have been on display since the budget hearings.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Jun 16 2011, 9:59 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I think this has to do with the current make up of the local party organization. The local democrats sometimes get together before TC elections and ask who is running, if no one is running they desperately try to find someone. The current local republicans have one person who decides who will run. Any republican who would like to run or suggest that someone run must first get approval. <br /> <br />These are two very different models. The democratic model is basically the punch line to the old Will Rodgers joke "...I am not a member of an organized political party....I am a democrat." The local republicans are currently very hierarchical with a person at the top who vetos who can and cannot run.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Jun 16 2011, 9:53 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I don't think we are talking about the same thing. The republican party org, are apparently playing politics and at war with republican elected officials. <br /> <br />When this thread was up in arms about Democratic party politics, they were refering to Democratic TC members. The local democratic party org (which by the way is a couple of people who are only heard from when no one is on the ballot) was not involved and had no stance. <br /> <br />Moreover if you know the people involved that was a fight between David Stout and a lot of people both republican and democrat. Knowing everyone involve that was a very personal fight and not a partisan one. <br /> <br />You are quick to accuse me of lacking objectivity. Here are the facts. I have NEVER heard the democratic org of Cranbury chime in on an issue or platform. The merely endorse candidates. Currently, according to republicans, the republican org is mad at the elected officials due to policy decisions. <br /> <br />Sorry you are in the middle of party warfare, but don't say this is typical politics in Cranbury, it is not. I don't recall this ever happening in either party.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jun 15 2011, 10:56 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">On both sides there are always going to be ardent party followers. That does not mean the town is that way, but these people are usually the party leaders and therefore the most visible. <br /> <br />Unfortunately the Republicans this year led by a small group of ardent party only individuals are making party politics more prominent just as some Dems did in the past. Those actions led to a loss of Dem control on the TC and this will likely lead to the loss of Rep control on the TC. I believe the majority of Republicans in town do not believe Dan and Jay are doing a bad job because it is clear to anyone paying attention that they are working hard whether you agree with their decisions or not. That is all any voter can ask. <br /> <br />I also agree with the above two posters that Cranbury is still a respectful town. The majority of posts defending Jay demonstrate this as do the other posts complaining about the attacks on TC members in previous threads.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Agree completely. I am a registered Dem who voted Republican in the last three local elections for exactly the reason you describe, that the local Dems on the TC and local org were making everything political and party-based. Now the local Republican organization, not Dan and Jay, is doing the same and I won't vote for anyone who associates themselves with that.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />While David Stout was able to ram through his personal agenda, I don't think the local democratic organization had anything to do with it. I conclude from this thread that the local republican organization has gone mad. I am sorry that some people are a bit extreme in your current party leadership, but don't accuse the local democrats of doing the same.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />Your response reveals you to be partisan and lacking objectivity. You have no problem to rushing to judgment and name calling the Republican org based on what is so far one action over the budget and the subsequent fall out. Yet you want to dismiss years of evidence about the Democratic orgs actions. Anyone who was paying attention at the time could clearly see the local Democratic organization, which is not to say most local Democrats, were very much involved and vocally supportive of Stout, Stannard and Stave's collective agenda and partisan policies. And when they endorsed new candidates those candidates expressed support for Stout and company’s policies as well. To suggest otherwise is just silly and demonstrates your bias. <br /> <br />If anything, so far the local Republican org has not gone nearly as far in partisan politics as the Dems did. Prior to the budget issue, Win Cody and the Republican majority on the TC unanimously endorsed the appointments of many Democrats on various committees. I didn’t do an exact count but I wouldn’t be surprised if they appointed as many Dems as Republicans, but it was certainly close in any event. The Dems by contrast turned every appointment into a political loyalty test. So I wouldn’t go throwing stones at just one party.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jun 15 2011, 10:28 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">On both sides there are always going to be ardent party followers. That does not mean the town is that way, but these people are usually the party leaders and therefore the most visible. <br /> <br />Unfortunately the Republicans this year led by a small group of ardent party only individuals are making party politics more prominent just as some Dems did in the past. Those actions led to a loss of Dem control on the TC and this will likely lead to the loss of Rep control on the TC. I believe the majority of Republicans in town do not believe Dan and Jay are doing a bad job because it is clear to anyone paying attention that they are working hard whether you agree with their decisions or not. That is all any voter can ask. <br /> <br />I also agree with the above two posters that Cranbury is still a respectful town. The majority of posts defending Jay demonstrate this as do the other posts complaining about the attacks on TC members in previous threads.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Agree completely. I am a registered Dem who voted Republican in the last three local elections for exactly the reason you describe, that the local Dems on the TC and local org were making everything political and party-based. Now the local Republican organization, not Dan and Jay, is doing the same and I won't vote for anyone who associates themselves with that.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />While David Stout was able to ram through his personal agenda, I don't think the local democratic organization had anything to do with it. I conclude from this thread that the local republican organization has gone mad. I am sorry that some people are a bit extreme in your current party leadership, but don't accuse the local democrats of doing the same.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jun 15 2011, 10:10 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Thanks Follow Monument Dedication</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I do think that a Thank You was in order for all that worked so hard to assist and coordinate with the New Jersey Civil War Heritage Association. I was a bit put off by the politicians seemingly trying to use this as a political event for their own exposure. We all should be thankful for all those who sacrificed so much and for those who refuse to forget those sacrifices. Lets not tarnish this honorable event. AMEN!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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