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[quote="anon-97on"][quote="publius-109q"]It doesn't even really matter what the 2nd amendment says. It's all in how the Supreme Court interprets what is said. Being that Scalia is in league with the right-wing...he interprets the Constitution the way that his cronies want him to interpret it. See how it works? [/quote] For almost 200 years the Second Amendment was interpreted by courts and the Supreme Court, and was generally accepted to mean we had the right to maintain and arm public militias. Haven't any of you ever toured an historic town and seen where they used to keep the armory for the local militia? The idea that it meant an inalienable right for every individual to arm themselves wasn't really propagated on any mainstream level until the mid-to-late 1970's, when the NRA went from primarily a gun-safety and hobbyist association to a powerful lobbying group, following a Coup D'etat of its leadership. Interesting that in the span of a generation almost 200 years of interpretation, that actually extended back to when the "founding fathers" were still alive and in power, is forgotten and a supposedly "strict constructionist" like Scalia can embrace a clear "revisionist" interpretation of the Amendment as sacred.[/quote]
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anon-8q9r
Posted: Mon, Jan 7 2013, 9:01 am EST
Post subject: Re: New Jersey Town Plans to Place Armed Guards in Schools
Staten Island panel mulls placing retired police into NYC schools
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/01/staten_island_panel_mulls_plac.html#incart_river_default
mrfun-109q
Posted: Sat, Jan 5 2013, 8:56 am EST
Post subject: Re: New Jersey Town Plans to Place Armed Guards in Schools
Scalia is a slug!!!
anon-97on
Posted: Fri, Jan 4 2013, 3:54 pm EST
Post subject: Re: New Jersey Town Plans to Place Armed Guards in Schools
publius-109q wrote:
It doesn't even really matter what the 2nd amendment says.
It's all in how the Supreme Court interprets what is said.
Being that Scalia is in league with the right-wing...he interprets the Constitution the way that his cronies want him to interpret it.
See how it works?
For almost 200 years the Second Amendment was interpreted by courts and the Supreme Court, and was generally accepted to mean we had the right to maintain and arm public militias. Haven't any of you ever toured an historic town and seen where they used to keep the armory for the local militia? The idea that it meant an inalienable right for every individual to arm themselves wasn't really propagated on any mainstream level until the mid-to-late 1970's, when the NRA went from primarily a gun-safety and hobbyist association to a powerful lobbying group, following a Coup D'etat of its leadership. Interesting that in the span of a generation almost 200 years of interpretation, that actually extended back to when the "founding fathers" were still alive and in power, is forgotten and a supposedly "strict constructionist" like Scalia can embrace a clear "revisionist" interpretation of the Amendment as sacred.
publius-109q
Posted: Fri, Jan 4 2013, 1:41 pm EST
Post subject: Re: New Jersey Town Plans to Place Armed Guards in Schools
It doesn't even really matter what the 2nd amendment says.
It's all in how the Supreme Court interprets what is said.
Being that Scalia is in league with the right-wing...he interprets the Constitution the way that his cronies want him to interpret it.
See how it works?
Just like the selection...........I mean election of 2000 in Gore V Bush.
If you don't think that judges are political, then I have a beautiful bridge in Brooklyn I can let you have for next to nothing.
Just cuz I like you.
Unless the 2nd amendment is changed (NEVER happen)we are stuck with how people read it and what they read into what it says.
I wish that someone would've proofread it before they signed it!!!!!
To me, it doesn't say that anyone with a pulse can have ANY weapon that they can afford to buy. When the Constitution was written, the gun of choice was a single-shot, muzzle-loaded, smooth-bore musket or a slightly rifled rifle. I don't believe that the framers wanted average people to be better armed than the average militia man. Where do you draw the line? Does that mean that I can have my own tank, like that crazy DuPont guy down in Delaware? I don't think so.
Interpretation is 99% of the law!
anon-6068
Posted: Fri, Jan 4 2013, 11:24 am EST
Post subject: Re: New Jersey Town Plans to Place Armed Guards in Schools
Quote:
What's common sense about focusing the "solution" on something that has proven useless in previous mass killings? Columbine had armed security. Lot of good it did them
Don't forget Virginia Tech's ROTC battalion. Oh, and let's not forget Fort Hood.
Explain to me again how more guns=fewer shootings. Virginia Tech was the worst school shooting in US history.
anon-0n08
Posted: Thu, Jan 3 2013, 1:09 pm EST
Post subject: Re: New Jersey Town Plans to Place Armed Guards in Schools
anon-pp46 wrote:
What most of us find unnerving is that schools are to act" in loco parentis" or in place of parents. Schools are responsible for keeping our children safe. The other places you mention are public places, and we would think twice before leaving our children in these places without us.
I think you're wrong about your "most of us" assumption. I have several kids in our school and I don't want armed guards there. Neither do most of the parents I have spoken with. if you think most do, then ask the school board to hold a public hearing on the matter and let's see what the reaction is. Let's see if people wants gun there at all, and are willing to increase our local taxes to pay for it. Personally I'd rather spend more money on actual education that a purely optical solution that might make some people feel safer but for which there is no evidence that it actually makes our children safer.
publius-109q
Posted: Thu, Jan 3 2013, 12:38 pm EST
Post subject: Re: New Jersey Town Plans to Place Armed Guards in Schools
The NRA just wants to abuse, not use, the 2nd amendment to advance its stated goals. It's less about "freedom & liberty" and more about selling guns and ammunition. There are big $$$$$$$$ in arms and ammunition. Thats why our own government sells our surplus crap to other countries. We don't care how or where they are used, just collect the cash and spew some garbage about defending "democracy". More like defending hypocrisy.
Recall how upset people where when they learned that Saddam Hussein used deadly gas on his own people?
Pishaw!!!!!!
How awful.
Know who sold him the gas?
Donald Rumsfeld.
Our very own Sec. of Defense under President Cheney..........ur...um........I mean Bush.
My point is that so long as there is big bucks in weaponry, there will be those out there who will exploit the laws to THEIR own benefit to the detriment of others.
Fear mongering leads to weapons sales and weapons sales leads to an arms race.
Either only police and the military can have weapons, or nobody can have them. Once someone has one, than EVERYONE wants one to protect themselves from that other guy.
See how it works?
The NRA exists to stir the pot and make everyone afraid so that guns sales will skyrocket.
Thats their ONLY goal in life!!!
anon-pp46
Posted: Thu, Jan 3 2013, 11:05 am EST
Post subject: Re: New Jersey Town Plans to Place Armed Guards in Schools
What most of us find unnerving is that schools are to act" in loco parentis" or in place of parents. Schools are responsible for keeping our children safe. The other places you mention are public places, and we would think twice before leaving our children in these places without us.
anon-97on
Posted: Wed, Jan 2 2013, 9:45 pm EST
Post subject: Re: New Jersey Town Plans to Place Armed Guards in Schools
anon-o690 wrote:
At least one town in NJ has some common sense. It's quite funny how two NY newspapers that called the NRA president crazy for wanting this are now the laughing stock of the internet.
You're right, the NRA President is the laughing stock of the internet...
What's common sense about focusing the "solution" on something that has proven useless in previous mass killings? Columbine had armed security. Lot of good it did them. Besides, schools aren't the only place where there have been mass gun murders. Malls are popular, and most have armed guards. Theaters. Public parks. Where's the money coming from to put well trained armed guards at every entrance and exit of every school, mall, theater, park, etc.?
anon-o690
Posted: Wed, Jan 2 2013, 5:14 pm EST
Post subject: Re: New Jersey Town Plans to Place Armed Guards in Schools
At least one town in NJ has some common sense. It's quite funny how two NY newspapers that called the NRA president crazy for wanting this are now the laughing stock of the internet.
publius-109q
Posted: Mon, Dec 31 2012, 6:56 pm EST
Post subject: Re: New Jersey Town Plans to Place Armed Guards in Schools
Thats a waste of time.
You should give guns to the kids!!!
Start 'em young in Kindergarten.
Thats what the NRA wants.
A chicken in every pot and an assault rifle in every house.
Make the kids guns look like those six-shooters from the old Western movies. The kids can practice by challenging each other to a quick draw contest everyday at high noon.
Make it fun for everyone!
Have shooting practice in gym class.
NAHHHHH..........................you'd never get past thet dern teacher's union.
Dern unions!!!
anon-8q9r
Posted: Mon, Dec 24 2012, 9:37 am EST
Post subject: New Jersey Town Plans to Place Armed Guards in Schools
The mayor of Marlboro Township in New Jersey said Friday there would be armed security guards at the district's nine schools starting in January
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/marlboro-new-jersey-armed-guards-schools-newtown-nra-reaction-184514471.html