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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Jul 19 2009, 1:15 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />As for parking, I always laugh at this. Cranbury doesn't have a parking problem. It has the opposite of a parking problem. It's like a town in Alaska saying they need more cold weather.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If the property is sold (which I can't see happening in the near future) and the parking lot goes away, then do we have a parking problem? Come at lunchtime or when people park their car in the morning to take the kids to school. Many people are senior citizens, and I am not sure how convenient it is for them to park 1/4 mile from Teddy's. <br /> <br />As for the library. I think a lot of people using the library park their car right there and and never go down Main Street. Just my 2 cents, but this can all be studied I suppose. <br /> <br />As for tax increases, how will it increase my tax, and by how much? All the Con-PNC Bank conservatives cry about this, but there are no concrete numbers yet.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />On a typical day we need to drive to and park on Main Street at least 2-3 times a day, for all kinds of things. And we never have to use the PNC parking lot. Whenever we have friends visiting and we go to Main Street to eat, etc. they always comment on how easy it is to park on Main Street. <br /> <br />As for the tax impact, we have way too much debt as it is. We shouldn't add one cent to our debt until we have worked to reduce it substantially. You can always apply the logic, whether personally or as a municipality, that something new isn't that expensive per taxpayer, but over time it has added up to tens-of-millions of debt being supported by only a little over a thousand tax paying households. Interest and principle on this debt is a major part of our expense and the more commitments we add the less options we have in future years to reduce expenses.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Jul 19 2009, 10:28 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />As for tax increases, how will it increase my tax, and by how much? All the Con-PNC Bank conservatives cry about this, but there are no concrete numbers yet.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Quite simply, you are already in the hole even if the building is donated because we are losing tax revenue from the building. So we know at a minimum we are losing 20,000 of revenue. There are no concrete numbers presented by the PNC- pro crowd on costs of renovations or maintenance. From where I stand we already have a negative revenue impact. Considering the town can't afford a 5,000 horn where is this loss of 20,000 of revenue going to be replaced and what else are we going to lose to afford the 20k loss? I too am not sure why you say conservatives, however, if you are saying Republicans want to watch the money and Democrats will buy PNC even if there is an impact then I think the decision is quite clear in November. Plus, I do not want even one cent of an increase considering the budget for the library has already escalted greatly due to the revaluation. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />If the property is sold (which I can't see happening in the near future) and the parking lot goes away, then do we have a parking problem? Come at lunchtime or when people park their car in the morning to take the kids to school. Many people are senior citizens, and I am not sure how convenient it is for them to park 1/4 mile from Teddy's.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />What business in their right mind would not allow the public parking to be maintained? Every business would want this as it puts potential customers right at their doorstep. It's great marketing. Conversly, the town cannot ticket and the business would lose a lot of good will if they towed the car. <br /> <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">As for the library. I think a lot of people using the library park their car right there and and never go down Main Street. Just my 2 cents, but this can all be studied I suppose.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Speaking personally, I walk to the library and then walk to Gil and Berts if I so decide or vice versa. However, if I choose not to it is because I don't want to. I honestly do not believe that the library being on Main St. would have any greater influence on people frequenting Main St. businesses. In actuality, if a new business comes in that draws people similar to Gil and Berts then that will do a lot more than a library. It's because a new attraction is added versus an already existing one in the library that is already drawing people. There is no new customer base. Now, if there was no library today and we were adding a library then the arguement about adding a library there would be concrete evidence that we would have a higher draw.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Jul 19 2009, 10:07 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">As for the library. I think a lot of people using the library park their car right there and and never go down Main Street. Just my 2 cents, but this can all be studied I suppose. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I am very wary of these types of "studies." They usually end up with the result representing the point of view of the folks that pay for the study. I tend to drive to Main Street and do all my downtown errands at once - including going to the library. <br /> <br />I agree that the parking in the morning and afternoon at school start and end times is harder than at other times, but at no time have I ever left downtown because I couldn't find a parking spot. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">As for tax increases, how will it increase my tax, and by how much? All the Con-PNC Bank conservatives cry about this, but there are no concrete numbers yet.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I find it interesting that you use the term "Con-PNC Bank conservatives." I don't think this is a liberal/conservative issue - just one of fiscal responsibility. And you are correct - there are no concrete numbers yet, at least none that are public, and that is a very big reason to oppose this project.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>me</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Jul 19 2009, 9:48 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I like the current location better because it's safer for kids going to the library. <br /> <br />The PNC location is not kids friendly, too close to passing traffic; it's adult friendly and Main-Street business friendly. That's why I don't support the move. <br /> <br />Kids walk to school daily during school days, and adults complain about parking too far away from their favorite shops? <br /> <br />Folks, walking/exercise is good for your health, especially for senior citizens (if you have trouble walking, a handicap parking permit will help). <br /> <br />As for increasing parking space, people had discussed this before, buying it for this purpose is a discrimination against non-main-street-business tax payers.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Jul 19 2009, 9:34 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />As for parking, I always laugh at this. Cranbury doesn't have a parking problem. It has the opposite of a parking problem. It's like a town in Alaska saying they need more cold weather.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If the property is sold (which I can't see happening in the near future) and the parking lot goes away, then do we have a parking problem? Come at lunchtime or when people park their car in the morning to take the kids to school. Many people are senior citizens, and I am not sure how convenient it is for them to park 1/4 mile from Teddy's. <br /> <br />As for the library. I think a lot of people using the library park their car right there and and never go down Main Street. Just my 2 cents, but this can all be studied I suppose. <br /> <br />As for tax increases, how will it increase my tax, and by how much? All the Con-PNC Bank conservatives cry about this, but there are no concrete numbers yet.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Jul 19 2009, 8:31 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Turning PNC bank into a library would create a lot more foot-traffic in town. This would benefit all the local businesses, plus the town will not have to worry about parking anymore. <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />This is striaght from the pro-PNC groups talking points. <br /> <br />My request is prove it. Spending public money based on talking poiints is bad public policy. Good public policy is doing so based on facts. <br /> <br />So I'd like the group in support of the PNC purchase to demonstrate with facts that putting the library there would generate any meaningful increase in foot traffic. Those in support tend to say this is intuitive. I (and many others) don't agree, so obviously if it is not something most people agree on it is not by definition intuitive. And simply using the figures of current library attendance and saying all that traffic will now be extra foot traffic on Main Street is 6-year-old logic. Many people who currently visit the library already do so by either walking there from Main Street or as part of larger trips that stillinclude Main Street. So demonstrate that it incrementally adds to Main Street commercial traffic. <br /> <br />As for parking, I always laugh at this. Cranbury doesn't have a parking problem. It has the opposite of a parking problem. It's like a town in Alaska saying they need more cold weather.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Jul 19 2009, 8:00 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I am sorry if I miss something...... <br /> <br />The library is not poor. Don't they have 800k in the bank? That should cover a lot of expenses if PNC donates the building (which they probably will not). <br /> <br />As for improvements to the existing PNC building. That would be done over many years, I suppose. <br /> <br />I don't see the harm engaging the PNC bank into talks. There is also the option to apply for grant money. We sunk a 400k grant into a weed ball field. <br /> <br />Turning PNC bank into a library would create a lot more foot-traffic in town. This would benefit all the local businesses, plus the town will not have to worry about parking anymore. <br /> <br />Some offered to look at the building to figure out how sound it is, and what improvements would cost, so I'd say we have another meeting once we have some figures. Until then, speculations about cost and tax increases are.....well speculations.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 17 2009, 10:55 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I agree - if we can't afford 5K for a firehorn, we certainly can't afford buying or renovating a building for any purpose. This stand alone library is a WANT, not a NEED. <br /> <br />Upcoming projects - Liberty Way bridge, Main St dam and bridge - where are we getting the millions for those projects if we don't have 5k for a firehorn?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 17 2009, 8:28 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">What of the $5000.00 we need for a new fire horn? At this meeting the township committee said we could not afford it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 17 2009, 7:04 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Yea why the rush to buy PNC or anything now? Since our last meeting about this topic many homes went onsale on main street that would make for a cute library. Can someone explain why we are doing this now.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jay T.</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2009, 7:45 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Just to clarify on referendum, I should have said as I believe should be required. Apologies.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jay T</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2009, 7:18 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Pari, <br /> <br />First, good question. However, speaking from experience I don't post my full name and in fact changed from simply James to Jay T. as I gained comfort. However, most people know who I am same with Jerseydad though I am not sure a new reader could tell from either of our IDs. Dan Mulligan and likely Win with WCody are exceptions to knowing true identities. <br /> <br />I would also agree that often posts can cross lines. Overall though this board is one of the better ones. Mrs. Rue addressed a school board concern at budget time and I think posters would welcome comments from other officals as well. In some cases I do think people feel a disconnect. <br /> <br />Saying all of that and as far as these posts go I do feel there are good posts and issues being raised though tone may not be best. For example the question of the texting allowed you to respond and address the concern. Without that question and answer people could think anything. <br /> <br />Now, in terms of the specific issue I disagree with how this was handled though I do feel it appropriate for any board to be able to raise questions, ask for help or address a concern. <br /> <br />My first job was at the library and I was an English (journalism major). So I do have a great appreciation for the value of the library and believe firmly that we must maintain a public library in town. <br /> <br />My personal view and that is what it is, is that I am concerned fiscally about the library and PNC building specifically. If we were in the position we were 10-15 years ago I may have had a different view. <br /> <br />Unfortunately, we have many looming projects in the pipeline with the Dam, Liberty Way (about 8 mill), COAH, a ballfield still requiring funds and our approx. 23 million in debt today. All of which take away from money that possibly could have been used for a library. <br /> <br />Similar to others I am facing a large sewer bill all with the increase in taxes the last few years. So from a fiscal standpoint I have to question whether the time is appropriate and admit I am concerned about my own budget. <br /> <br />As I have said from the beginning I am happy to help the library with fund raising, I am happy to help in planning and I do believe at some point a stand alone building built to suit the needs of the library today and in the future, one that is built to meet long term and short term needs would be ideal. <br /> <br />Now with all of that said and as my wife says I am not always right though I do have opinions. So if: <br />- PNC is willing to donate or massively discount the building <br />- if the library is able to put together a concrete cost projection including loss of tax revenue showing no tax increase <br /> <br />and <br /> <br />- if the TC agrees to a referendum before making a step toward an agreement with PNC (as I believe is required when we have these types of discussions. ) <br /> <br />Then I do not feel a discussion is all together inappropriate. <br /> <br />However, I am opposed to simply moving forward even if the building is donated without having a referendum first and am openly cautious based on the first discussion a year ago that we may not see a referendum.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2009, 6:20 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">"Now I have a question: Why don't any of you sign your names to these blog postings? " <br /> <br />Because they are scared to write their names. It's easier to post all these negative comments and then hide behind the anonymous name. <br /> <br />signed...John Smith of 123 Main street</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I guess for the same reason you just did, because the forum makes it easy to post anonymously by default. Its the content that the anonymous posters submits that is important, not their name in most cases. That's why we also have vanity posters also here on cranbury.info and posters that do use real names. <br /> <br />Sometime it makes it easy to flame but I find most anonymous posters here post good comments, but you do have to take the good with the bad. I find a majority of the content on this forum is from GUEST and sometime I wish I knew who posted since the comments are soo good. For the others, I just ignor the flamers they go away eventually. ELMO is currently my favorite vanity on this forum and has made some very cheeky comments. <img src="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2009, 5:39 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">"Now I have a question: Why don't any of you sign your names to these blog postings? " <br /> <br />Because they are scared to write their names. It's easier to post all these negative comments and then hide behind the anonymous name. <br /> <br />signed...John Smith of 123 Main street</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Pari</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2009, 5:06 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I txted David to see if he was available to listen to the discussion. He was not available. That is all there was to it. <br /> <br />I would like to point out that when the library board asked to be put on the agenda for the township meeting, I specifically asked Kirstie Venanzi to invite Patty Thompson, a fellow board member, to attend the meeting. Patty is a highly respected resident of Cranbury, a valuable member of the Library Board, and a prominent Republican. The reason I asked for her to attend to was try to make the conversation as non-partisan as possible, as it should be. <br /> <br />Now I have a question: Why don't any of you sign your names to these blog postings? <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Two issues- Legally, yes those texts because they were conducted as part of the business at hand are legally available just as technically any conversation between council members even a whisper can be disclosed in meeting notes, whether there is intent or not. I speak from experience having dealt with a similar issue for a school board NOT in Cranbury where emails were sent regarding business at hand between one member and another. A member in the audience asked for a reading, the board member declined and the attorney present stated that it was not considered priveleged or personal information because of the circumstances and because the member admitted to it having been pertaining to business being addressed at that time it was therefore required to be disclosed. If someone wanted to make a stink and ask for them they would have had to been disclosed. I do not know if one can go back now and ask for them. I wonder if we'll see that in the meeting notes. <br /> <br />Second, David legally could not have voted and I was apalled that our attorney sat their blindly not offering comment. She knows where her bread is buttered and will not offer any opinion at all in a meeting unless it is absolutely required. Even then it is always tentative and always I need to research ($$$) and come back she has cost our town more money with her research and not stating opinions or even knowing the law on the questions. On referendums it was the town clerk who knew the date, not our attorney. When Bill was here we never heard that and there were times when he said stop what your doing is impermissable thus keeping our TC members out of unintended trouble. <br /> <br />Third, it is clear Pari, David and Richard along with Glen Johnson and David Cook are all in the same camp. Do you think Pari would have emailed David if she was not 100% certain he was for the library. Our TC is so far away from the days of Alan, Charlie Schnell, Tom Weidner and others who worked on behalf of the town and not for their own interests or to be "All Powerful".</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2009, 4:37 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: AGENDA TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 13, 2009 6:00 P.M.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Last year the TC voted not to pursue looking into the purchase of the PNC property, despite the majority in attendance at the meeting raising their hands in favor of more information. I was there.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Um . . .I was there too and the majority did not raise their hands in favor of more information. I was standing in the back and had a wonderful view. That was the meeting that was to discuss solely the PNC Bank "Once in a Lifetime Opportunity".</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I saw the same thing from the side bench and the majority DID NOT raise hands in favor of it, also most of the comments were also against the purchase. And I also recall that the opposition had better discussion points in the public comment about not pursuing the PNC purchase. Poor Economy, Higher taxes and COAH were the primary reasons given. <br /> <br />I think its appropriate to also note that most I talked to in attendance were pro-library sometime in the future, but vehemently against the PNC purchase and any new free standing building in the immediate short term.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />This is simply not true (referring to last year’s meeting, not this year’s). It may be that a majority didn't raise their hand and all, I can't say. But they specifically had raised hands for yes (approve proceeding to look into it) and no (don't proceed). Slightly more hands were raised for yes than no. I also was sitting next to the reporter from the Cranbury Press who kept a tally of the speakers and I did as well. There was one more speaker in favor than against, although someone not paying attention would have thought there was even more in favor because right after refusing to allow one of the speakers who spoke against it to speak again Mayor Stout did allow someone who spoke in support to speak a second time, then he closed the floor to further speakers from the audience (nice lack of bias there). <br /> <br />Again, I spoke against it so I have no benefit in saying this other it is what happened I think we have a strong case without changing the facts.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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