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[quote="Guest"][quote="Guest"] I wonder at what point the idea of respect or concern goes away. I have no issue with a small mosque. A 10 story cultural and community center at that point is what I have a concern with simply from a respect standpoint. However, from the attitude on this board it seems respect is going away with a I'll do what I want attitude. If they want to build a 10, 20, 30 or even 100 story center in mid-town I have no issue at all.[/quote] I find the comments above to be disrespectful of muslims and as well as the US constitution and all the people who've defended it with their lives.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Aug 27 2010, 8:07 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It's not even about religious freedom, but simple logic. The backers of the community center have absolutely nothing to do with the terrorists or 9/11 nor do Muslims in general. So it is illogical and nonsense to say their developing something there is disrespectful, unless you say developing anything several blocks from the WTC site is, which no one is saying.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Aug 27 2010, 8:05 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Putting the mosque there is just in bad taste that's all. No one is trying to restrict religious freedom. If you want respect, you have to give respect.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I love how the people who say its in bad taste or lacks respect keep avoiding direct questions on why. They either realize that the reasons are inherently bigoted or they can't even consciously express why it is because they have their bigotry rooted in their subconscious. In either case, they were repeatedly and politely asked for an specific explanation as to why it would be disrespectful and all they can come up with is "it just is." <br /> <br />Is it disrespectful if you visit the site where Indians were slaughtered 200 years ago? You have about as much to do with it as the backers of this mosque or Muslims in general do with 9/11.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>moderator?</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Aug 27 2010, 12:36 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Moderator, <br />Can you lock this thread? This discussion seems played out. Some people think a mosque within a few blocks of the WTC massacre is bad taste and other people believe America was founded on religious freedom and that blaming an entire population muslims for the despicable act of a few extremist terrorists is unamerican and helps further the cause of the terrorists. <br /> <br />Does anyone have another point to make? If not, please close this circular thread. Thanks.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Aug 27 2010, 12:00 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Putting the mosque there is just in bad taste that's all. No one is trying to restrict religious freedom. If you want respect, you have to give respect.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 11:34 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Rahim wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"><span style="font-style: italic">Anyway, how do you decide how far away from someplace is far away enough? Who decides that?</span> <br /> <br />The building we're talking about was hit by the landing gear of the jet flown into the world Trade Center. How about not that close? How about a yard away for every American killed on 9/11/2001? That would seem about right.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />By what is the crieria for what is banned? This community center and prayer room has absolutely nothing to do with the terrorists attacks. So why is it being singled out for banning? There are strip clubs in the area. Gambling dins. Drug dealers working corners. Greasy diners. Or if it has to do with religion, what about synagoges or churches in the area? Why single out the Islamic prayer room when Islam as a whole is not responsible for some fanatic terrorists?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Strip clubs???????? <br />We could use some of those here in Cranbury!!!!!!!!!</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />At least you managed to make this topic relevant to Cranbury.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 10:33 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78BpvaX9N8&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78BpvaX9N8&feature=related</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Aug 23 2010, 4:06 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Rahim wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"><span style="font-style: italic">Anyway, how do you decide how far away from someplace is far away enough? Who decides that?</span> <br /> <br />The building we're talking about was hit by the landing gear of the jet flown into the world Trade Center. How about not that close? How about a yard away for every American killed on 9/11/2001? That would seem about right.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />By what is the crieria for what is banned? This community center and prayer room has absolutely nothing to do with the terrorists attacks. So why is it being singled out for banning? There are strip clubs in the area. Gambling dins. Drug dealers working corners. Greasy diners. Or if it has to do with religion, what about synagoges or churches in the area? Why single out the Islamic prayer room when Islam as a whole is not responsible for some fanatic terrorists?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Strip clubs???????? <br />We could use some of those here in Cranbury!!!!!!!!!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 9:29 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>343 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">ok so some religious fanatics murder thousands of people and someone wants to build a structure related to that religion on their graves?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You are using the same twisted "logic" the terrorists use to justify their actions. America stands for freedom. If you can't handle that, you're in the wrong place!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 8:30 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>343 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">ok so some religious fanatics murder thousands of people and someone wants to build a structure related to that religion on their graves?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />There is a logic gap in your statement. By your own words, they were fanatics, which means operating outside the mainstream of the religion. There are Christian fanatics as well. Christians recently attempted genocide on millions of Muslims in the former Yugoslavia. Are you as a Christian responsible for that? Does it have absolutely anything to do with your religion? Christian fanatics right here in the USA bomb black churches, bomb Federal buildings, participate in the KKK, murder abortion doctors, etc. So is all of Christianity responsible for these actions? Should we allow no churches anywhere near a place where a Christian commits a crime? That would be pretty restrictive, especially since a vast majority of our serial killers have been Christian and some insisted they were acting on instructions from God. There are hundreds of examples which demonstrate the absurdity of holding an entire religion responsible for the unrelated actions of crazy, evil individuals or fringe organizations who claim to act in accordance with their view of the religion when their actions contradict it. Mainstream Islam is no more violent than mainstream Christianity. Neither should be falsely associated with the atrocious actions of murderers.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 8:23 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Rahim wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"><span style="font-style: italic">Anyway, how do you decide how far away from someplace is far away enough? Who decides that?</span> <br /> <br />The building we're talking about was hit by the landing gear of the jet flown into the world Trade Center. How about not that close? How about a yard away for every American killed on 9/11/2001? That would seem about right.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />By what is the crieria for what is banned? This community center and prayer room has absolutely nothing to do with the terrorists attacks. So why is it being singled out for banning? There are strip clubs in the area. Gambling dins. Drug dealers working corners. Greasy diners. Or if it has to do with religion, what about synagoges or churches in the area? Why single out the Islamic prayer room when Islam as a whole is not responsible for some fanatic terrorists?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>343</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 7:58 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">ok so some religious fanatics murder thousands of people and someone wants to build a structure related to that religion on their graves?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Rahim</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 1:53 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"><span style="font-style: italic">Anyway, how do you decide how far away from someplace is far away enough? Who decides that?</span> <br /> <br />The building we're talking about was hit by the landing gear of the jet flown into the world Trade Center. How about not that close? How about a yard away for every American killed on 9/11/2001? That would seem about right.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Aug 19 2010, 2:03 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Funny that it is members of both parties who share concerns. I wonder at what point the idea of respect or concern goes away. The Catholic church planned a convent near Auschwitz, but then moved it because of respect for the area. <br /> <br />I have no issue with a small mosque. A 10 story cultural and community center at that point is what I have a concern with simply from a respect standpoint. However, from the attitude on this board it seems respect is going away with a I'll do what I want attitude. <br /> <br />If they want to build a 10, 20, 30 or even 100 story center in mid-town I have no issue at all.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I disagree, because you still haven't explained why it is disrespectful. Who is it disrespectful to and why? Why would the family members of a victim of 9/11 consider it disrespectful for a Muslim developer to build on the site or to include an Islamic prayer room in the otherwise non-religion-related plans? Neither have anything to do with the al Qaeda terrorists who committed the atrocities. <br /> <br />Also, your statement about not being offended if it were a “small Mosque” don’t make sense. This is less than a small Mosque – it is a single small prayer room. That’s why it’s not called a Mosque, because it isn’t one. So by your own logic, you should have “no problem” with it. The rest of the 10 story development is unrelated – it is event space for the entire community, regardless of religion with no overt religious overtones, just like I don’t feel hit over the head with the Christian affiliation of a YMCA. That’s why the community supports the project – because it is filling a need for service space with classrooms, a wedding chapel, a community pool, a gym, a daycare center, etc. How are any of those things offensive?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Aug 19 2010, 1:42 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">The Constitution only makes provisions for the GOVERNMENT in not prohibiting the free expression of religion. It says NOTHING about private citizens doing so. <br />If I own a building and I want to rent it, I can keep from renting it to someone if I don't like the cut of their jib. That includes their religious beliefs if I deem them not suitable. There may be a law against it, but, you can skirt around that.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />What has this got to do with this case? In this case the owners of the site already are the ones trying to build this center and the local community boards and planning boards want it built. The only groups opposed are outsiders who want the government to take extraordinary measures to block the owners from developing it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Aug 19 2010, 11:57 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Anyway, how do you decide how far away from someplace is far away enough? <br />Who decides that?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Aug 19 2010, 11:56 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mosque at ground zero.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The Constitution only makes provisions for the GOVERNMENT in not prohibiting the free expression of religion. It says NOTHING about private citizens doing so. <br />If I own a building and I want to rent it, I can keep from renting it to someone if I don't like the cut of their jib. That includes their religious beliefs if I deem them not suitable. There may be a law against it, but, you can skirt around that.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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