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[quote="Guest"]Is it true, are they finally knocking down that ugly property on the corner of south main and OTR to put up that strip mall? I see al the construction material piled up. What stores are set to go in?[/quote]
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Guest
Posted: Fri, Aug 27 2010, 7:38 am EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
This is not true at the moment, at least the way the businesses on Route 130 are situated in Cranbury. I have lived here for years and pretty much never visit 130 businesses in Cranbury and am always amazed when I hear some of the stuff that's actually there. Whereas in East Windsor at 130 and Princeton-Hightstown there are lots of signs and stores easy to see from the street, most of the businesses on 130 in Cranbury are either in isolated little pockets that don't attract my attention or are not clear from the main road.
Not many retailers on RT130 Cranbury yet but we have done a poor job compared to East Windsor building out the highway for retailers. But I bet you do visit ShopRite on RT130 in E. Windsor weekly, and what about the liquor store next door, or the bagel store next to that, and the pet shop a few stores down from there? They are all doing well and busy because of the traffic on RT130 and pull of the supermarket. Same goes for CVS, Burlington, the new pizza place where Panera Bread stood, the farmers market, the Thai and Subway, Chinese and Italian restaurant and yes even another convenience store also on corner of 130 and Hightstown rd. I bet you spend most of your time and money in E. Windsor and they get the tax revenue. That's because E Windsor has done a great job building out its retail on RT130.
Now as you proposed that if a convenience store is built in Cranbury village you'll only get a few visitors from Cranbury itself, but if you put that same place on RT 130 you now have more commuters from all over spending money in Cranbury. That makes a lot of business sense to turn what is left of RT130 in Cranbury to usable retail spaces. And yes, I once ran a retail shop so have some knowledge of what would make a better retail location.
The bagel shop went out of business as have a number of their stores.
However, you are right that the town needs to develop a plan for retail on 130.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Aug 27 2010, 12:55 am EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
The problem with developing 130 for retail is it is hard to prevent invasive lighting, noise and traffic for existing residents. Some argue these residents are NIMBYs, but the reality is you can't expect people to forsee and accept every possible change. As a middle ground, I'd suggest allowing retail along route 130 with a 200 foot minimun set back and with berm requirements (like VW/Audi).
Also, Cranbury-South River Road is perfect for retail and a convenience store. No Cranbury residents would be impacted and we would still get the tax revenue.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Aug 27 2010, 12:34 am EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
Guest wrote:
This is not true at the moment, at least the way the businesses on Route 130 are situated in Cranbury. I have lived here for years and pretty much never visit 130 businesses in Cranbury and am always amazed when I hear some of the stuff that's actually there. Whereas in East Windsor at 130 and Princeton-Hightstown there are lots of signs and stores easy to see from the street, most of the businesses on 130 in Cranbury are either in isolated little pockets that don't attract my attention or are not clear from the main road.
Not many retailers on RT130 Cranbury yet but we have done a poor job compared to East Windsor building out the highway for retailers. But I bet you do visit ShopRite on RT130 in E. Windsor weekly, and what about the liquor store next door, or the bagel store next to that, and the pet shop a few stores down from there? They are all doing well and busy because of the traffic on RT130 and pull of the supermarket. Same goes for CVS, Burlington, the new pizza place where Panera Bread stood, the farmers market, the Thai and Subway, Chinese and Italian restaurant and yes even another convenience store also on corner of 130 and Hightstown rd. I bet you spend most of your time and money in E. Windsor and they get the tax revenue. That's because E Windsor has done a great job building out its retail on RT130.
Now as you proposed that if a convenience store is built in Cranbury village you'll only get a few visitors from Cranbury itself, but if you put that same place on RT 130 you now have more commuters from all over spending money in Cranbury. That makes a lot of business sense to turn what is left of RT130 in Cranbury to usable retail spaces. And yes, I once ran a retail shop so have some knowledge of what would make a better retail location.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 11:47 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
Well why do we even want more businesses in town? It only means more people and traffic, and you can be sure you won't get a parking space on Main St. A deli would really be nice, but again there won't be enough support in town to keep it alive, just like our other deli's, hardware store, pharmacy, sandwich shops, coffee shop, gift shop, clothing stores, etc. Not much has changed...
Guest
Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 10:29 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
When a convenience store was proposed for exactly that stretch of 130 the townspeople rose up with their pitchforks and torches and shot it down. Don't blame the committees and boards. Also don't blame the old timers, it was families with young children who claimed putting a White hen on the corner of 130 and Cranbury Station road would encourage Cranbury youth to cross 130 to their certain deaths.
We have only to blame ourselves. Some delude themselves by saying they are only trying to preserve the village, yet gas stations and convenience stores on 130 get vetoed again and again. Please before anyone complains about the township take a long look in the mirror.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 10:25 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
That corner of Main St & OTR is actually a pretty busy intersection. Some shops with retail and maybe offices and/or apartments located where the greenhouse used to be is a good idea. So long as it looks like a continuation of Main St with a nice, "old-timey" look to it, and not a boring, shoebox strip mall.
YUCK!!!!!!!!!!
Guest
Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 8:18 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Too many NIMBYs in Cranbury.
They want the town frozen in time...........circa 1946!!!!!!!!!
Even if they did build some stores that fit in with the way the town already looks, it wouldn't work. Too many old timers don't want any changes.
There is a huge stretch of RT130 about 2blocks away from the florist that would be even better for business to locate in Cranbury, it just makes more business sense to have a new store open where the maximum traffic will see them and use them more then in town. I think some of the folks in Cranbury who want everything in town are either lazy or just bad business people. The best convienience store location would be on RT130 for any sane business owner to open up in Cranbury, so that they can possibly survive because Cranbury alone would not be enough revenue to afford the mortgage and tax. RT130 is only a few blocks away from the center of town, and there's plenty of parking btw (giggle giggle) As many will agree on this board there is absolutely no parking at all even in that part of main st for a business to thrive. Go where the traffic and parking are, its all on RT130 for business. Its wasted opportunity to keep retail away from that part of 130 near the village, and Retail appreciates in value, while warehouses keep depreciating, another good reason to promote retailing on RT130. Why are we not promoting that highway for more retailing instead of warehouses??
This is not true at the moment, at least the way the businesses on Route 130 are situated in Cranbury. I have lived here for years and pretty much never visit 130 businesses in Cranbury and am always amazed when I hear some of the stuff that's actually there. Whereas in East Windsor at 130 and Princeton-Hightstown there are lots of signs and stores easy to see from the street, most of the businesses on 130 in Cranbury are either in isolated little pockets that don't attract my attention or are not clear from the main road.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 8:12 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
Guest wrote:
Too many NIMBYs in Cranbury.
They want the town frozen in time...........circa 1946!!!!!!!!!
Even if they did build some stores that fit in with the way the town already looks, it wouldn't work. Too many old timers don't want any changes.
Many of the old timers are gone. Just look at the older streets, Main, Evans, Wynnewood and the Estates. The majority have turned over in the last 15-20 years.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 7:31 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
Guest wrote:
Too many NIMBYs in Cranbury.
They want the town frozen in time...........circa 1946!!!!!!!!!
Even if they did build some stores that fit in with the way the town already looks, it wouldn't work. Too many old timers don't want any changes.
There is a huge stretch of RT130 about 2blocks away from the florist that would be even better for business to locate in Cranbury, it just makes more business sense to have a new store open where the maximum traffic will see them and use them more then in town. I think some of the folks in Cranbury who want everything in town are either lazy or just bad business people. The best convienience store location would be on RT130 for any sane business owner to open up in Cranbury, so that they can possibly survive because Cranbury alone would not be enough revenue to afford the mortgage and tax. RT130 is only a few blocks away from the center of town, and there's plenty of parking btw (giggle giggle) As many will agree on this board there is absolutely no parking at all even in that part of main st for a business to thrive. Go where the traffic and parking are, its all on RT130 for business. Its wasted opportunity to keep retail away from that part of 130 near the village, and Retail appreciates in value, while warehouses keep depreciating, another good reason to promote retailing on RT130. Why are we not promoting that highway for more retailing instead of warehouses??
Guest
Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 5:59 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
Too many NIMBYs in Cranbury.
They want the town frozen in time...........circa 1946!!!!!!!!!
Even if they did build some stores that fit in with the way the town already looks, it wouldn't work. Too many old timers don't want any changes.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 3:25 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
Guest wrote:
....The townspeople are a hindrance to business.
I would say its the townspeople in this town that have kept it so desirable and quaint, because we dont want a cookie cutter approach and overbuilding is why we all have strong opinions about what gets built around here. Especially near town. Now I would also argue that the TC and HPAC have sometimes missed opportunities to make Cranbury even better (i.e. Sr Housing on Old Trenton Rd is cookie cutter and desnt fit well in the master design very well and potentially 130D site also) But overall its been the townspeople that have stood up in TC meetings along with the TC members to do the right thing and keep Cranbury from loosing its character, or should I say loosing tooo much of its character over time. And yes its is a fight against business, special interests and politics but HPAC has tried to do a good job to balance History.vs.Business battle that continually happens here.
And I think most townspeople would like to keep the character of Cranbury Main street quaint, by building something that balances the other side of the street on South Main. Wouldnt it be great to finally fix south main street to look as good as north main? It would make living in the Village even more desirable and have more people visiting the current businesses and more folks walking the streets south of the lake. That would be a nice improvement over the warehouses that exist today. Anyone know what the zoning is for the parcel, is it for homes only? since the prior business was a florist and farm land before that - so always an agricultural business in that spot but dont think any other florist will move into there, but the lots look big enough to have homes of similar size like across the street. Anyone know what's going on in South Main florist?
Guest
Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 2:24 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
...and so it goes....
me
Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 10:38 am EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
Guest wrote:
... The townspeople are a hindrance to business.
That's kind of expected, because the majority of the houses on the Main St. are for residential use not commercial. If having a successful business means more strangers in my neighborhood and less parking, then the residential owners will oppose the change. Unless the majority of businesses are so successful that businessmen line up to buy the residential houses and convert them, which is not going to happen.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 9:36 am EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
Guest wrote:
I don't live near that property and would love a convenience store like the old deli or Cumberland farms that was here. I miss the old Hagerty's Florist to be honest. If they could do it so it mirrored the village center with individual stores and perhaps apartments above I think it would be nice and they could build it so as look like Main St just extended naturally. I would not want a strip mall like crockadeli's as that design would not fit.
I agree with everything you say. However, one quick glance at the sweetwater board will show you how this would work out. Over the past year many posters have complained that the town boards and committees are a hindrance to business. I respectfully submit they are wrong. The townspeople are a hindrance to business.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 8:00 am EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
I don't live near that property and would love a convenience store like the old deli or Cumberland farms that was here. I miss the old Hagerty's Florist to be honest. If they could do it so it mirrored the village center with individual stores and perhaps apartments above I think it would be nice and they could build it so as look like Main St just extended naturally. I would not want a strip mall like crockadeli's as that design would not fit.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010, 6:57 am EDT
Post subject: Re: South Main at Old Trenton
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
You are joking I hope? Hooters, Tattoo shop?????
I am hoping for a convenience store. I do not care what else goes in but we definitely need a convenience store.
I wonder how many store will go in. That area could accomadate a decent amount. I am glad the town finally is allowing some new business in the downtown area. It is about time !
Stores at that spot would be so out of character to the other side of the street that has nice homes. Anyway there's a convenience store just 2 more minutes further down the street, 137 Old Cranbury Road. It would be silly to have another one so nearby.
"Stores at that spot would be so out of character to the other side of the street that has nice homes."
Wow, what do you live nearby or are you one of the PB/ZB members that would rather hang then allow any new business in town?
This shopping center would be made to look like it would fit in, you can bet on that unless the Witts own this property also.
Also yes the Crocadeli is just up the road, but I want a convenience store in town. Maybe Manny can move 2 minutes down the road and right into Cranbury.