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[quote="Cranbury Conservative"]I actually find it hard to compare town vs town due to different maintenance costs for different facilities and staff sizes. The most telling point to the numbers is the budget / what we the tax payers are giving to the library has doubled. Of course it is all due to an outdated State mandated funding model for which there are options now with the new refund legislation.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>HistoricallyFiscal</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 12 2008, 8:56 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />You’re just a rich white guy from Cranbury "Historically Fiscal" I hope the 3 reverends curse you. How could you not support Literalism for the POOR??? You’re an IDIOT and elitist like all the other people in Cranbury. I curse you too and hope all your taxes are the highest in NJ. and I will never read another thing posted by you!!!</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You missed my points in that post, and How Do You Know that I am against the POOR. I AM NOT, who can be against educating anyone. But your response is proving one of the things that I am illustrating in my prior post. As a citizen voter you read my one post, or hell maybe you read the entire thread on the forum and immediately conclude that you will support "Books for the Poor" DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CONSEQUENCE WILL BE???? if the fictitious book Bill B500-S1883 is passed by Corzine?? <br /> <br />(Note to reader: I'm using this Literacy issue of "Books for the Poor " concept for analogous purposes. The reason is some folks can't understand the impact of COAH directly, some in Cranbury would rather talk about the PNC library then COAH and frankly COAH is somewhat dry, so I selected this associative topic to illustrate some similar issues. Indulge me a little thanks I'll try to make it fun) <br /> <br />Would you support the Books for the Poor bill B500-S188311 I ask you again?? <br /> <br />I'll also add that 2 major NJ legislators wrote and support this bill in my fictitious illustration. <br /> <br />But also a 1/3 of the librarians in NJ are crying out for a repeal of the bill and threaten to limit hours of operation and some will close their doors to outsiders. <br /> <br />Oh and a few reverends are calling these librarians elitists because they are locking out ethnic poor out of the library, that's why they support the bill B500-S188311. <br /> <br />Oh and finally the editor of your own library newsletter calls for support of this book bill even though the librarians and all staff are against it. The librarians may know a lot more about how it will adversely affect them then the newsletter guy. <br /> <br />HOW WOULD YOU VOTE in this illustrative scenario?? You would probably still support it, RIGHT? And some of the NJ legislative body who do know better can say they have widespread support of the Books for Poor bill B500-S188311. <br /> <br />I would say that may of us have let our leaders make these types of decision for us without understanding the consequences. Do you know what the book bill details mean to you personally?? To your neighbors, to your State? Probably not since I haven't told you yet. But you still would support it. <br /> <br />Most of us did this at the federal level, becuase Prez Bus got his war with Iraq and we are paying for the consequences now and for years to come. <br /> <br />At a State level COAH 3rd round will only help a handful but make taxes much worse for all (yes the rich, middleclass and poor) are all in the same boat. If your not in the COAH lottery system, you are paying higher taxes PERIOD. That's what supporting Affordable Housing in NJ COAH 3rd round bill is about. <br /> <br />At the local level Cranbury citizen want to support the PNC without knowing the full impact. <br /> <br />As my favorite poet once said: <br /> <br />"The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don't have to waste your time voting." <br />- Charles Bukowski <br /> <br />Ill write more about this illustrative scenario.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 12 2008, 6:46 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>HistoricallyFiscal wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />... I don’t care what the consequence of my vote will do since I HAVE TO SUPPORT LITERALISM IN NJ DONT I. And anyway my own municipality will not be taxes as much as yours so who really cares. Anyone who thinks that I would be against more books for the poor and middle class has never done any research about all the other things I support in the NJ legislature that raised your taxes. <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />You’re just a rich white guy from Cranbury "Historically Fiscal" I hope the 3 reverends curse you. How could you not support Literalism for the POOR??? You’re an IDIOT and elitist like all the other people in Cranbury. I curse you too and hope all your taxes are the highest in NJ. and I will never read another thing posted by you!!!</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Hey Guest - I think you missed the whole point Historically Fiscal was trying to make. This is "tongue and cheek". You are taking it to literally and personally. It's ashame you have to resort to name calling. Thank you for not living in Cranbury.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 12 2008, 4:33 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>HistoricallyFiscal wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />... I don’t care what the consequence of my vote will do since I HAVE TO SUPPORT LITERALISM IN NJ DONT I. And anyway my own municipality will not be taxes as much as yours so who really cares. Anyone who thinks that I would be against more books for the poor and middle class has never done any research about all the other things I support in the NJ legislature that raised your taxes. <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />You’re just a rich white guy from Cranbury "Historically Fiscal" I hope the 3 reverends curse you. How could you not support Literalism for the POOR??? You’re an IDIOT and elitist like all the other people in Cranbury. I curse you too and hope all your taxes are the highest in NJ. and I will never read another thing posted by you!!!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 12 2008, 1:28 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>HistoricallyFiscal wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />HEY!!! CRANBURY, STOP WITH ALL THAT MATH!!!! It is hurting my head. I dont understand what you mean here, please enough with your ratios and calculations based on taxpayer/blahblahblah. I'm a government official and don’t know how to do your math/shmath. <br /> <br />If only you could draft a 120page document with 112 contradictory retroactive rules that only a few select lawyers could comprehend and then get your religious figures and a few special interest groups to support your reports incomprehensible findings. Oh and dont forget to have some Reverends make this a racial issue and quote one sentence some obscure author that contradicts the overall findings of anyone that knows anything about your topic. <br /> <br />If YOU DID THAT instead of these calculations, it would be easier for me to follow my democratic party line since I have no frigin idea what this 120page legal document is talking about anyway, so its just simpler for me to vote by my party line anyways. I don’t care what the consequence of my vote will do since I HAVE TO SUPPORT LITERALISM IN NJ DONT I. And anyway my own municipality will not be taxes as much as yours so who really cares. Anyone who thinks that I would be against more books for the poor and middle class has never done any research about all the other things I support in the NJ legislature that raised your taxes. <br /> <br />After all, if the Cranbury Press and Trenton Times can write about my vote and sum it up in a one line article header then you (NJ TAXPAYER) wont really read about what I do anyways. The press is not interested in hard issues, or ethics, or educating the citizen taxpayers. You guys are too lazy to care so they don’t either. <br /> <br />It is after all for your own benefit I do this NJ Taxpayer, I represent you. I dont want you to vote or voice your opinions about it, dont worry, I'll find more ways to spend your tax dollars soon with another frivolous socialistic project that has wide support by special interest groups so you dont have to switch the station from American Idol at all. So I votes yes because my party wanted it, what was the 120 document about anyway??????</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I think the main point of your rant is lazy voters and poor politicians in NJ. Did I miss something? you also really were talking about COAH 3rd round right? I did like how you represented the political posturing on this incomprehensible idea just like the real world. So clap clap clap Encore, I'd love to see the next rant about COAH and following the money please.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 11 2008, 10:08 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The problem with books is that you need to spend time to read it, and even if you spend time to read it, you may not comprehend what's about. <br /> <br />That's why YouTube is so popular, not YouBook. <img src="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>HistoricallyFiscal</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 11 2008, 10:01 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>HistoricallyFiscal wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I HAVE TO SUPPORT LITERALISM IN NJ DONT I. And anyway my own municipality will not be taxes as much as yours so who really cares. Anyone who thinks that I would be against more books for the poor and middle class has never done any research about all the other things I support in the NJ legislature.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />And the key point I was making in my last post is that we can have it all in NJ, we can even have more books for the poor, and do it fairly for all taxpayers in NJ. We might even have more books if we didnt make is soo hard with all these incomprehensable lawsuits, special intrest and retroactive bagage etc. Do you not think all these complexity and legislation is wasting valuable resource and costs that can benefit all NJ Taxpayers it it was simplified????</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>HistoricallyFiscal</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 11 2008, 9:09 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>ED K wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Cranbury Conservative wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Here are the numbers: <br /> <br /> <br />In 2005 the taxpayers of Cranbury gave the library: $365,334 <br />The 2005 US Census Estimate for Cranbury is: 3918 people <br /> <br />That works out to $94 per person in Cranbury in 2005. <br /> <br /> <br />This year the tax payers of Cranbury are giving the Library about $600,000 <br />The U.S Census Estimate for Cranbury is: 3944 people <br /> <br />That works out to $152.00 per person.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The key statistic is Dollars/CardHolder in Jamesburg not per person, not everyone is a library cardholder so your Cranbury figure above is still misleading .vs. Jamesburg. The number maybe be better per taxpayer .vs. Jamesburg - its a truer indicator to compare.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />HEY!!! CRANBURY, STOP WITH ALL THAT MATH!!!! It is hurting my head. I dont understand what you mean here, please enough with your ratios and calculations based on taxpayer/blahblahblah. I'm a government official and don’t know how to do your math/shmath. <br /> <br />If only you could draft a 120page document with 112 contradictory retroactive rules that only a few select lawyers could comprehend and then get your religious figures and a few special interest groups to support your reports incomprehensible findings. Oh and dont forget to have some Reverends make this a racial issue and quote one sentence some obscure author that contradicts the overall findings of anyone that knows anything about your topic. <br /> <br />If YOU DID THAT instead of these calculations, it would be easier for me to follow my democratic party line since I have no frigin idea what this 120page legal document is talking about anyway, so its just simpler for me to vote by my party line anyways. I don’t care what the consequence of my vote will do since I HAVE TO SUPPORT LITERALISM IN NJ DONT I. And anyway my own municipality will not be taxes as much as yours so who really cares. Anyone who thinks that I would be against more books for the poor and middle class has never done any research about all the other things I support in the NJ legislature that raised your taxes. <br /> <br />After all, if the Cranbury Press and Trenton Times can write about my vote and sum it up in a one line article header then you (NJ TAXPAYER) wont really read about what I do anyways. The press is not interested in hard issues, or ethics, or educating the citizen taxpayers. You guys are too lazy to care so they don’t either. <br /> <br />It is after all for your own benefit I do this NJ Taxpayer, I represent you. I dont want you to vote or voice your opinions about it, dont worry, I'll find more ways to spend your tax dollars soon with another frivolous socialistic project that has wide support by special interest groups so you dont have to switch the station from American Idol at all. So I votes yes because my party wanted it, what was the 120 document about anyway??????</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cranbury Conservative</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 11 2008, 4:06 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I actually find it hard to compare town vs town due to different maintenance costs for different facilities and staff sizes. The most telling point to the numbers is the budget / what we the tax payers are giving to the library has doubled. Of course it is all due to an outdated State mandated funding model for which there are options now with the new refund legislation.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ED K</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 11 2008, 3:21 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Cranbury Conservative wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Here are the numbers: <br /> <br /> <br />In 2005 the taxpayers of Cranbury gave the library: $365,334 <br />The 2005 US Census Estimate for Cranbury is: 3918 people <br /> <br />That works out to $94 per person in Cranbury in 2005. <br /> <br /> <br />This year the tax payers of Cranbury are giving the Library about $600,000 <br />The U.S Census Estimate for Cranbury is: 3944 people <br /> <br />That works out to $152.00 per person.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The key statistic is Dollars/CardHolder in Jamesburg not per person, not everyone is a library cardholder so your cranbury figure above is still missleading .vs. Jamesburg. The number maybe be better per taxpayer .vs. Jamesburg - its a truer indicator to compare.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Frugality In Cranbury</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 11 2008, 1:50 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Folks . . . Where is the plan ... plan ... plan. The library is not and should not be left out of our township's master plan. You can't just go and say "Hm.... that looks like a nice place to have a library. Let's buy it." There are many unanswered question such as funding, feasibility, building specs, etc. Many of these question should be answered by the Library of Trustees and the TC in tandem. Unfortunately, the TC has been asked to fund and plan the whole project. This is absolutely unheard of in this day and age - the library is pushing the burden on them and the taxpayer without being fiscally responsible themselves. Not only that, the township does CURRENTLY own land near the school. Why must we try to purchase land (1.4 mil) that is private property and is NOT in the Master Plan for our town? <br /> <br />This is so reminiscent of the "Babe Ruth Baseball Field". Push thru without thoroughly planning. Another "Oops". That is why we are NOW dealing with and paying for the clean-up remediation on this small section of land. When we could've had a final planned usage for the entire property and developed that land in stages. Why are we jumping the gun all the time. It is always costing us much more this way rather than in a concrete plan. <br /> <br />The TC needs to get a backbone to all the "special interest groups" and "JUST SAY NO - It is not in the overall township Master Plan".</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>James</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 11 2008, 1:35 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I agree with CC. I think this is a distraction right now as opposed to a key issue. <br /> <br />What I do believe is that the Town overall needs to be more transparent in terms of finances. We need to act as though the town is a public company and the residents are all stock holders. We need transparency in terms of what money is spent and where it goes. That means the library, engineer, attorneys, etc... <br /> <br />However, right now I'd rather not argue about what finances the library has or doesn't have and focus on COAH. After the COAH situation is less cloudy and we have our course of action then I'd come back and start looking at the library finances. I'd look at the other contracts as they renew each year. <br /> <br />What does upset me is the distraction a building is causing at a time when people really need to be careful about expenses and focused on COAH.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 11 2008, 1:20 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The library surplus is least of our worries. If the push is for a new library, I can't understand why the Library Board of Trustees can't present a plan to the community that includes possible financing that does not sock it to the taxpayer. They seem to want to pass the buck to our TC to handle. This should not be on the TC agenda. The Library Board of Trustees needs to get their act together. This right now is a "want" and not a "need".</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cranbury Conservative</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 11 2008, 1:04 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I believe a request would be made to the board of trustees of the Library. My guess is the TC would make the request. <br /> <br />Then I think the State Librarian has to approve it. <br /> <br />I am really not too worried right now with this. COAH / Affordable Housing is a bigger issue for me. Once that is settled I feel we can focus on these other issues. <br /> <br />Though the money could help off set COAH / Affordable Housing litigation without raising property taxes.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>question</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 11 2008, 12:47 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Cranbury Conservative wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Library funding is state mandated. Currently the state requires local taxpayers to fund libraries at $33 for every $100,000 of taxable property. <br /> <br />New Legislation (<a href="http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bills/A1500/1265_R1.HTM" target="_blank" class="postlink">http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bills/A1500/1265_R1.HTM</a>)was passed earlier this year which allows towns that have an over funded library to ask the library to return any surpluss to the town.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Thanks for the info. So the TC (representing the town) can ask the library to return the surplus? How can we "ask" the library to return the surplus?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cranbury Conservative</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 11 2008, 12:42 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Library funding is state mandated. Currently the state requires local taxpayers to fund libraries at $33 for every $100,000 of taxable property. <br /> <br />New Legislation (<a href="http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bills/A1500/1265_R1.HTM" target="_blank" class="postlink">http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bills/A1500/1265_R1.HTM</a>)was passed earlier this year which allows towns that have an over funded library to ask the library to return any surpluss to the town.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>question</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 11 2008, 12:32 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Borough mulls library plan - Jamesburg</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Since Cranbury residents don't vote for these budget items, the spending is delermined by the TC?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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