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[quote="Guest"]The Liberty Way Bridge is in the Cranbury 2009 Budget as a future capital expenditure, look on Page 50. There is a planned $4 Million Capital expenditure in 2010 and an additional $4 Million in 2011. http://www.cranburytownship.org/2009-Budget.pdf There are a lot of articles on Cranbury.info site regarding Liberty Way and the bridge. http://cranbury.info/viewtopic.php?t=1955 [b]Liberty Way clears hurdle [/b] Money authorized for stormwater treatment device Friday, September 21, 2007 7:50 AM EDT by Paul Koepp, Staff Writer Township officials cleared a minor roadblock last week on their way to completing the construction of the north section of Liberty Way. On Sept. 10, [b]the Township Committee authorized an additional $18,230 for the bridge portion of the project[/b], over Cranbury Brook, to pay for a stormwater treatment device that would filter out solid waste from the brook. The north section of Liberty Way runs from Security Drive to Half Acre Road. http://cranbury.info/viewtopic.php?t=1855 [b]Liberty Way to ease warehouse truck traffic [/b] Years after construction began, Cranbury is still working to finish Liberty Way. The road, which runs from South River Road to Station Road, is expected to help divert truck traffic off the portion of Route 130 that runs through Cranbury by providing them with an easier way to get to N.J. Turnpike Exit 8A. Township Engineer Cathleen Marcelli could not provide an estimated date for completion, but said additional work on the road could start this month. She also was not sure how much the work scheduled to begin this month or next month will cost. She said the township has received bids from contractors for the Half Acre Road portion of the road. According to Ms. Marcelli, the project was awarded last month and should start within the next month. She said the township paid only the engineering cost for the southern portion of the Half Acre Road project and got state funding to cover the rest of the cost. http://cranbury.info/viewtopic.php?t=1223 [b]Cranbury to receive grant [/b] The township will received state funding to help pay for construction of Liberty Way. Cranbury is getting a $255,000 grant to put toward construction of the road, which runs from South River Road to Station Road and is designed to divert truck traffic from the township's section of Route 130 to N.J. Turnpike Exit 8A. The money comes from the $78.75 million 2007 Transportation Trust Fund Municipal Aid Program, according to a press release from Assemblywoman Linda Greenstein, whose district includes Cranbury Township. The portion of the road that has been completed so far has been paid for through a number of grants and by warehouse developers whose buildings border the road. Township Administrator Tom Witt said the township applied for the Transportation Trust Fund grant and was hopeful that it would receive money for the project. "We apply every year and every year we've been successful in at least getting some money," he said. "We were very optimistic when we applied to the grant that we would receive some funding since there's prior history of them funding the Liberty Way project." Mr. Witt said he does not know yet what part of the project the money will go toward. http://cranbury.info/viewtopic.php?t=715 [b]Township Committee introduced an ordinance Monday that will fund the construction plan. [/b] Construction on Liberty Way, a road expected to run from South River Road to Station Road, will resume this spring, according to township officials. The Township Committee introduced an ordinance Monday that will provide the township with $855,000 when it's approved. Of that, $655,000 will be appropriated for the construction of portions of Liberty Way. The remaining $200,000 will be designated for the construction of the Babe Ruth baseball field on the Wright South property, adjacent to the school. The township has been planning the construction of Liberty Way since 2002. The road is designed to divert truck traffic from the township's section of Route 130 and toward N.J. Turnpike Exit 8A. Township Engineer Cathy Marcelli said the township has already secured $700,000 in grants from the state Department of Transportation Municipal Trust program to complete the portion of road that stretches south of Half Acre Road to Cranbury Brook.[/quote]
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Posted: Wed, Sep 30 2009, 3:08 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Planning Board Discussion of Library on Oct. 1
I like that -- "Hello Guests,"
And thanks for your detailed responses.
Dave Cook
Posted: Wed, Sep 30 2009, 12:08 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Planning Board Discussion of Library on Oct. 1
Hello Guests, If I have come across as unconcerned I apologize. I will begin by saying I won’t respond to comments about whom I sound like and that I am “insinuating falsehoods being said by other candidates” I also wont speak for the current township committee. I want to be clear that I am speaking on my own behalf and that I want to be as transparent as I can about these issues.
First the Cranbury debt subject. The direction of municipal debt is going down. My position is I want to continue that trend if elected. It is being said that the current debt is still too high and that I am somehow not taking this debt seriously. I am taking it very seriously and that is why I felt that releasing the real numbers was important. I also have shown how that debt was incurred. (See
www.davecookonline.com
) If elected I
will continue to try and make policy designed around the reduction of debt at the municipal level.
Liberty Way is an important issue as well. Cranbury is not obligated to spend $8 million on Liberty Way. Liberty Way is on the master plan but the Master plan does not legally bind us to build it. I am opposed to the to the Liberty Way Project for the same reasons I mentioned in my previous posts. Current fiscal and current independent research shows me that it is un necessary. In addition, if this project were to be re-initiated I believe it should go to a public vote.
I was asked about where I stand on the Library. I believe that we should investigate every idea that would allow the Library to enhance or change its location. A library is a pillar of any community and I will try to help the library any way I can. I dont think that the TC should be the only vote on this issue. I agree with the guest that a township vote is in order if the TC was to consider spending funds on the library.
The next three years are going to be very important ones for Cranbury. Affordable Housing, Regionalzation, Debt and Liberty Way are all-important issues. We need to be focused on the issues not the parties in order to get Cranbury through the tough decisions.
I appreciate the civil interaction here on this forum. I encourage the guests to come to Candidates Night on October 13th at 8:00pm in the school cafeteria. I am available also at 609-409-6853 or at
www.davecookonline.com
Guest
Posted: Mon, Sep 28 2009, 2:02 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Planning Board Discussion of Library on Oct. 1
Dave,
Thank you for your response above. It seems there is an issue of semantics. This is where many people are concerned, but perhaps you can clarify.
I think we agree on the following: We agree that there is an estimated 8 million of expenses if the bridge proceeds. We also agree that this is still an active discussion though it may be tabled at the moment. We also agree that the TC (two of whom are still on the TC) have been going through the review process most recently.
So here are my questions:
1) Is there not a valid concern that the bridge vote is still to occur since it is in the master plan? Your using the "obligation", but ignoring the fact in your letter that this is a real concern. I hope you see this issue for the voters, you're using only certain facts and assigning rumor status wherever possible. It's easy to say there are rumors because that means that they can't be attributed. By saying it's rumor only based on the lack of a formal obligation is misleading. A rumor is we are building a minor league stadium. A fact is that there is/was a plan for this bridge to occur and has yet to be taken away from discussion and there is still a potential spend of 8 million. While I don't know Glenn's view, but you, Dan and Jay say the same thing about wanting to take this off the master plan. However, your letter and website are insinuating falsehoods are being said by the other candidates. This is the politics that concern me. I don't understand how you can say myth and rumor when you all agree that this is a potential project and that it has not been stopped by the current TC members given time and that expenses are still occurring to review the project. Why not just oppose the spending as you say here? I would prefer seeing candidates do that then look at using political tactics. (Sorry my soapbox).
2) You are talking of unnecessary spending. If you agree this is a bridge to nowhere and not to be pursued; then how can you justify the engineering expenses to explore a project that should not be explored in the first place? Either the spending is correct and therefore the bridge has some merit or it is not and the spending is wrong.
3) In line with the above, I am a bit more disturbed over your statement that "expense as part of that review have been incurred but I believe that the scale of this project warrants those costs." This is what concerns me today. We seem to be spending a lot of money on services to explore different projects. The TC justifies this spending with we are doing review.
4) You say, "if this project was re-initaiated, I would be opposed to any un-necessary spending on it." So that means there is some spending you would agree with moving forward? Or do you oppose any spending and want the plan dropped?
Please understand I am not trying to be mean, but the messages are confusing and very much like what we have been hearing now for a long time. I am tired and in all honesty want change.
Four Seasons Voter
Posted: Mon, Sep 28 2009, 2:00 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Planning Board Discussion of Library on Oct. 1
Thank you David for taking the time to reply here in this forum.
Your post however contradicts your letter. Now I am not sure where you stand.
I may not agree with the other two running against you on everything, however it appears they mean what they say and say what they mean.
That is what will get my vote and the vote of my neighbors.
Dave Cook wrote:
Thank you Peter for taking the time to write your thoughts regarding the Liberty Way project. There has been a thorough review of the value of Liberty Way over the years,much of it you cover in your comments. Expenses as part of that review have been incurred but I believe that the scale of this project warrants those costs.
My position is based on current fiscal policy and current independent research. Cranbury does not have an obligation to spend $ 8 million on the Liberrty Way. If this project was re-initiated, I would be opposed to any un-necessary spending on it. I beleive that a decision of this magnitude should also be debated in a public forum. I dont see that taking this position is defending Democrats and aligning myself with existing powers. Throughout the years of the investigation process of Liberty Way, the TC has been a bipartisan one. Taking the position of being against spending on Liberty Way and the desire to continue to reduce Munisipal Debt I dont see as a partisan position either.
That is why I want to be clear that I am running for TC based on the issues not on a party platform. I hope to regain your confidence in me and in my bi-partisan outlook. I appreciate you calling for me to provide clarity on this issue.
Guest
Posted: Mon, Sep 28 2009, 10:34 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Planning Board Discussion of Library on Oct. 1
Dave Cook wrote:
Thank you Peter for taking the time to write your thoughts regarding the Liberty Way project. There has been a thorough review of the value of Liberty Way over the years,much of it you cover in your comments. Expenses as part of that review have been incurred but I believe that the scale of this project warrants those costs.
My position is based on current fiscal policy and current independent research. Cranbury does not have an obligation to spend $ 8 million on the Liberrty Way. If this project was re-initiated, I would be opposed to any un-necessary spending on it. I beleive that a decision of this magnitude should also be debated in a public forum. I dont see that taking this position is defending Democrats and aligning myself with existing powers. Throughout the years of the investigation process of Liberty Way, the TC has been a bipartisan one. Taking the position of being against spending on Liberty Way and the desire to continue to reduce Munisipal Debt I dont see as a partisan position either.
That is why I want to be clear that I am running for TC based on the issues not on a party platform. I hope to regain your confidence in me and in my bi-partisan outlook. I appreciate you calling for me to provide clarity on this issue.
Dave, where exactly do you stand on the new Library issue? Do you support committing taxpayer money it at this time or not? If so, do you support a Township vote on the matter, rather than just the Township Committee?
Thank you.
Guest
Posted: Mon, Sep 28 2009, 10:18 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Planning Board Discussion of Library on Oct. 1
My problem with the editorial was the comments on the debt. The sentiment was similar to what Mr. Stout said at one of the COAH meetings while still Mayor. The gist was, Cranbury is doing really well with debt (he said he was “proud” of their fiscal management) because we only have $23 million (at the time) and have the capacity to have $65 million.” The democratic candidates say the same thing in their letter, allegedly dispelling a “myth” about our debt.
What myth? To me $21 million is still shocking high for a town as small as ours. And reducing it substantially by not taking on any non-essential expenditures, should be a priority.
Like the other poster above, I am a Democrat. But I have a huge problem with the idea that we don’t have a debt issue simply because it’s currently well-rated (so was a lot of the debt that crashed and led to the current economic crisis which is why Moody’s and S&P have no credibility right now) and we’re capable of 3x our current debt load. Why would anyone make such a claim, especially in the current environment where it’s become clear to some people, finally, that we have massively over-extended ourselves on debt? How much credit or debt someone is capable of having should be completely irrelevant to how much debt they SHOULD have or whether they should feel good about it. I pay off my credit cards every month – I have never in my life, even when struggling to put myself through college, carried a dime of interest on them. I could whip out my credit cards right now and instantly charge almost $75,000 in debt (not counting my AMEX which doesn’t have any set limit). But that doesn’t mean I should, or that I judge whether I am fiscally responsible on the basis on only charging $25K a month. Instead, I assess my spending at any given time on what I can afford to pay off now based on my current income. If I can’t afford it now, I don’t use the card to defer payment on the premise that I will afford it over time later. I pay for my vacations and luxury items by saving first then using what I have collected, not debt on what I expect to earn later.
The point is, the same principles should apply to public debt, especially in a tiny municipality with a very, very small tax base. One of the many reasons I am a Democrat is because the Republican Party nationally has been too irresponsible with our national debt over the last 30 years. But at least there are over nine-figures worth of households to share the burden, and considerable assets. Cranbury, on the other hand has less than something less than 2,000 households. So any municipal debt is, in effect, very personal, because each of us is responsible for a meaningful chunk of it. Right now each of us is carrying approximately 2 years worth of our total annual tax assessment in addition to our actual tax payment. And that is just for municipal debt though the tax payment also contributes to the state. So the ratio of what we collect annually for the Township to each of our individual Township debt loads is even higher. I would never put myself in that position with debt personally. Yet I am forced into that position by my Township.
In effect, our Township has a portion of people who like to spend big on our public credit card for like-to-have’s like a new library, only in this case I am responsible for helping them pay off their frivolous spending and interest.
And we do see the consequences of this debt, especially on lean years. I found it ironic that Mr. Stout, in the same time frame that he was declaring his pride about our low debt, was quoted in the Cranbury Press, in response to taxpayer complaints about the increases in our tax rates, that most of the increases were beyond the Township Committee’s control because they were required for debt payments. So on the one had we are supposedly very conservative with out debt but on the other have to accept constantly rising taxes to cover it?
I would like to see us take our debt way more seriously. I believe our debt level should not exceed our annual municipal tax assessment, meaning our actual obligation is (only) twice what we’re collecting. Now in practice we have truly non-discretionary future obligations which require us to exceed that, like the next round of state-mandated COAH requirements. But I propose that whenever our debt exceeds this ratio that any significant discretionary expenditure that will add to the Township debt require a vote of the Township taxpayers. It’s our money. We shouldn’t be held to the whims of 5 people, especially when recent history has proven that a majority of them vote as a solid block (on everything; check the record).
Guest
Posted: Mon, Sep 28 2009, 8:52 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Liberty Way
Dave,
I like the diagram you have on your website re. our debt and what it represents. I really appreciate having this spelled out for us.
Thank you!
Guest
Posted: Mon, Sep 28 2009, 6:22 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Liberty Way
When is candidates night? I thought I remembered it being October something...
Guest
Posted: Mon, Sep 28 2009, 5:48 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Planning Board Discussion of Library on Oct. 1
I agree completely with you, Dave. There are issues, important issues that we need to face. You are doing that. Party politics does not enter into this, or at least it should not, not in Cranbury....
In my opinion, you understand. You know where we came from, having grown up here, you have a great financial background so you understamd that aspect of governing, and you understand that we need to plan for the fture.
Guest
Posted: Mon, Sep 28 2009, 5:44 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Liberty Way Discussion
Dave,
Thank you for clarifying this for us. There is so much misinformation and innuendo out there. We needed facts, and I thank you for your letter in the Cranbury Press and your posts here.
Dave Cook
Posted: Sun, Sep 27 2009, 10:50 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Planning Board Discussion of Library on Oct. 1
Thank you Peter for taking the time to write your thoughts regarding the Liberty Way project. There has been a thorough review of the value of Liberty Way over the years,much of it you cover in your comments. Expenses as part of that review have been incurred but I believe that the scale of this project warrants those costs.
My position is based on current fiscal policy and current independent research. Cranbury does not have an obligation to spend $ 8 million on the Liberrty Way. If this project was re-initiated, I would be opposed to any un-necessary spending on it. I beleive that a decision of this magnitude should also be debated in a public forum. I dont see that taking this position is defending Democrats and aligning myself with existing powers. Throughout the years of the investigation process of Liberty Way, the TC has been a bipartisan one. Taking the position of being against spending on Liberty Way and the desire to continue to reduce Munisipal Debt I dont see as a partisan position either.
That is why I want to be clear that I am running for TC based on the issues not on a party platform. I hope to regain your confidence in me and in my bi-partisan outlook. I appreciate you calling for me to provide clarity on this issue.
Guest
Posted: Sat, Sep 26 2009, 6:17 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Planning Board Discussion of Library on Oct. 1
Marilyn and the library board don't take no for an answer, do they?
Guest
Posted: Sat, Sep 26 2009, 1:55 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Planning Board Discussion of Library on Oct. 1
The Liberty Way Bridge is in the Cranbury 2009 Budget as a future capital expenditure, look on Page 50. There is a planned $4 Million Capital expenditure in 2010 and an additional $4 Million in 2011.
http://www.cranburytownship.org/2009-Budget.pdf
There are a lot of articles on Cranbury.info site regarding Liberty Way and the bridge.
http://cranbury.info/viewtopic.php?t=1955
Liberty Way clears hurdle
Money authorized for stormwater treatment device
Friday, September 21, 2007 7:50 AM EDT
by Paul Koepp, Staff Writer
Township officials cleared a minor roadblock last week on their way to completing the construction of the north section of Liberty Way.
On Sept. 10,
the Township Committee authorized an additional $18,230 for the bridge portion of the project
, over Cranbury Brook, to pay for a stormwater treatment device that would filter out solid waste from the brook. The north section of Liberty Way runs from Security Drive to Half Acre Road.
http://cranbury.info/viewtopic.php?t=1855
Liberty Way to ease warehouse truck traffic
Years after construction began, Cranbury is still working to finish Liberty Way.
The road, which runs from South River Road to Station Road, is expected to help divert truck traffic off the portion of Route 130 that runs through Cranbury by providing them with an easier way to get to N.J. Turnpike Exit 8A.
Township Engineer Cathleen Marcelli could not provide an estimated date for completion, but said additional work on the road could start this month. She also was not sure how much the work scheduled to begin this month or next month will cost.
She said the township has received bids from contractors for the Half Acre Road portion of the road. According to Ms. Marcelli, the project was awarded last month and should start within the next month.
She said the township paid only the engineering cost for the southern portion of the Half Acre Road project and got state funding to cover the rest of the cost.
http://cranbury.info/viewtopic.php?t=1223
Cranbury to receive grant
The township will received state funding to help pay for construction of Liberty Way.
Cranbury is getting a $255,000 grant to put toward construction of the road, which runs from South River Road to Station Road and is designed to divert truck traffic from the township's section of Route 130 to N.J. Turnpike Exit 8A.
The money comes from the $78.75 million 2007 Transportation Trust Fund Municipal Aid Program, according to a press release from Assemblywoman Linda Greenstein, whose district includes Cranbury Township.
The portion of the road that has been completed so far has been paid for through a number of grants and by warehouse developers whose buildings border the road.
Township Administrator Tom Witt said the township applied for the Transportation Trust Fund grant and was hopeful that it would receive money for the project.
"We apply every year and every year we've been successful in at least getting some money," he said. "We were very optimistic when we applied to the grant that we would receive some funding since there's prior history of them funding the Liberty Way project."
Mr. Witt said he does not know yet what part of the project the money will go toward.
http://cranbury.info/viewtopic.php?t=715
Township Committee introduced an ordinance Monday that will fund the construction plan.
Construction on Liberty Way, a road expected to run from South River Road to Station Road, will resume this spring, according to township officials.
The Township Committee introduced an ordinance Monday that will provide the township with $855,000 when it's approved. Of that, $655,000 will be appropriated for the construction of portions of Liberty Way. The remaining $200,000 will be designated for the construction of the Babe Ruth baseball field on the Wright South property, adjacent to the school.
The township has been planning the construction of Liberty Way since 2002. The road is designed to divert truck traffic from the township's section of Route 130 and toward N.J. Turnpike Exit 8A.
Township Engineer Cathy Marcelli said the township has already secured $700,000 in grants from the state Department of Transportation Municipal Trust program to complete the portion of road that stretches south of Half Acre Road to Cranbury Brook.
Peter
Posted: Sat, Sep 26 2009, 8:58 am EDT
Post subject: Planning board and our candidates
Yesterday's paper confirmed two things to me because I am a Democrat who had been planning to vote for Mr. Cook and was not sure about Mr. Johnson. However, after Friday's paper and the PB agenda here are my thoughts. 1) Mr. Johnson clearly supports a new library and that's a main basis for running. I oppose the library spending at this time. So that vote is gone. 2) The letter to the editor was yet again showing our Democrat candidates are all aligned with the existing powers and defending past decisions, not looking forward on management of debt and spending. Why can't we get independent Democrats?
Unfortunately, I can't vote for either Democrat because I am concerned it will business as usual. Say one thing, do another. I am pleased to see Mr. Cook not wanting to spend on Liberty Way, but he goes further to make it look like this project is not in the pipe line. However, the meeting notes all show our TC has been working on this project while it has been all Dems controlling it. Now they're saying vote on facts, but what facts? Granted there may be no formal agreement, but it's still in process. There was no formal agreement to build a ballfield either prior to the grant. The Republican candidates are saying they oppose this spending and like Mr. Cook are saying they will not support it. So it is good to see Mr. Cook is saying he's aligned with the Republicans on this point, but I question if push comes to shove would he really join them and oppose the project if it means going against the existing TC members. The letter also says there is no obligation to build, so then why is the TC spending money on engineering and legal fees on something at this time that is not required? It is these comments that give me pause, it's a use of misleading words.
Here are some links I looked up regarding the liberty way bridge in just a two second google search.
IN 2009:
Ms. Smeltzer reported the Township has been requested by the County Planning Director to help the County with the Federal Stimulus Package, for what projects the stimulus package could cover. Brainerd Lake Dam would be one item, green energy; all of the Township’s Public buildings would have solar panels, Plainsboro Road improvements and the Liberty Way Bridge.
http://www.cranburytownship.org/TC_minutes011209.pdf
In 2008
Ms. Marcelli also reported on the Liberty Way North project stating the base asphalt, curb and sub-sewer have been completed. .....
Mr. Feranda, Traffic Consultant, has been working with the State D.O.T. and County D.O.T. on the Bridge design project and reported it is moving forward. Mr. Stannard asked if the State or County had given the Township any idea on the cost of the Bridge project lately.
Ms. Marcelli responded to date she did not have an updated cost.
http://www.cranburytownship.org/TC_minutes011408.html
Guest
Posted: Sat, Sep 26 2009, 8:31 am EDT
Post subject: Planning Board Discussion of Library on Oct. 1
PLANNING BOARD
TOWNSHIP OF CRANBURY
23-A NORTH MAIN STREET
CRANBURY, NEW JERSEY 08512
(609) 395-0900, Ext. 221
FAX (609) 395-3560
MEETING AGENDA
The next meeting of the Cranbury Planning Board will be held at the Cranbury Township Town Hall (Old School Building) 23-A North Main Street on October 1, 2009, at 7:30 p.m.
CALL TO ORDER
STATEMENT OF ADEQUATE NOTICE
ROLL CALL
PUBLIC COMMENTS
MINUTES
January 8, May 7, July 9 & 18, September 10
RESOLUTION
PB 165-09 Keystone South Park
Block 10, Lots 4 & 9, Zone I-LIS
66 Station Road
Preliminary and Final Subdivision
DISCUSSION ON FUTURE PLANS FOR THE CRANBURY LIBRARY
http://www.cranburytownship.org/PB_agenda_10-01-09.pdf