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[quote="Guest"]In regards to the costs, the rental of 60,000 dollars or so is just for the added expense of having the library open longer hours, summer, having a boiler technician there for those hours...when the library moves out, there would no longer be those costs. IE. no loss for the school.[/quote]
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Posted: Thu, Jul 28 2011, 12:40 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
[quote]But we already have a library everyone benefits from. So the argument is much less compelling. A lot of people don't see the need to spend money, time, resources, land and subsequent operational expense and parking issues on simply upgrading the quality of a service we already receive. Sure in the abstract a stand-alone library with a pretty new building and its own parking lot and an endowment to maintain operations expenses in perpetuity would be nice, if not necessary. But that is a lot of if’s. And while I am sure there is some benefit to seniors and people who don’t like sharing with the school, etc., it is hard to characterize those as critical shortcomings or to make a case that there is ever an ROI (return on investment) for a separate library.
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ROI - is a great term. Actually studies show that building public libraries at the center of your town is a great ROI. In our case, we could have a group of residents who are interested in getting together to build a wonderful community center. The maintenance of the library is provided by the library appropriation - so no increase in taxes to keep a wonderful resource at the heart of our community. Plus the school would benefit because it would have the space it needs to have a proper school library...which I argue it does not have right now when the students have to be shuttled through and into the library classroom with limited time with the library collections.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Jul 28 2011, 10:54 am EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
Guest wrote:
Are you equating a ball field with a public library? Ball field = few people use. Library= everyone benefits.
But we already have a library everyone benefits from. So the argument is much less compelling. A lot of people don't see the need to spend money, time, resources, land and subsequent operational expense and parking issues on simply upgrading the quality of a service we already receive. Sure in the abstract a stand-alone library with a pretty new building and its own parking lot and an endowment to maintain operations expenses in perpetuity would be nice, if not necessary. But that is a lot of if’s. And while I am sure there is some benefit to seniors and people who don’t like sharing with the school, etc., it is hard to characterize those as critical shortcomings or to make a case that there is ever an ROI (return on investment) for a separate library.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Jul 28 2011, 9:52 am EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
Are you equating a ball field with a public library? Ball field = few people use. Library= everyone benefits.
Guest
Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2011, 5:29 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
Guest wrote:
Doesn't "Architect for the project and Planning Board Chairman" send any Red Flags to anyone? This library project is another example of a select few spending the money of the rest of us for another Ballfield fiasco. We will be saddled with the perpetual maintenace and other personnel costs forever. Remember "we just want a ballfield" that turned into $900,000.00.plus and has annual costs forever. Now we need a $90,000. irrigation well - now we need a scoreboard $20,000. and will eventually need night lighting and on and on and on! Why not just use the new 14 million dollar Plainsboro library? When will the "Nothing is too good for my child" types give us a break? This back door deal should be put to the voters. It is flat out wrong for a select few of the "we want it all club" to spend everyone elses hard earned $$$$$!
You are 100% right. On top of that they only used the ball field for 1 month, what a waste.
Guest
Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2011, 6:16 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
Guest wrote:
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I've had private conversations with people on the township committee, zoning board and even the library board and none of them believe they will be able to raise over $2.7 million privately. The common assumption is they plan to raise some of the money then use it to renew a push for the Township to help make up the difference. The argument would be the money raised both reduces the burden and demonstrates strong interest in the project which they would characterize as a mandate.
But who knows. They are welcome to try.
I also have had private conversations with these people and they are determined to raise the whole amount....it will benefit the community. As far as the continuing burden, this is simply not true.
The library receives enough money through the appropriation to pay for upkeep of the library.
I am confident you did not have private conversations with the same people I did because that's simply not true of their opinions. It is certainly possible there are other people on each of these boards and committees that feel the way you indicate, but not the ones I spoke with. I would go further. I am confident that a majority of the current Township Committee does not believe the Library can raise the full $2.7 million and believe they will come back asking for public help down the road. I am confident at least one person on the Library Board also believes this and one person involved in the fundraising campaign. I can't speak for the rest. Again, personally I am happy to see them pursuing this at least versus continuing to push for public dollars up-front. I am just reflecting the statements I have heard from these individuals.
Guest
Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2011, 5:58 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
The library will probably get built because most of the posters on this board won't do anything more than complain about it.
Guest
Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2011, 4:07 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
Guest wrote:
I think a new energy efficient building could cost less to run that
a building built in 1969.
Yes, but the new building will be 50% bigger and, based on the prior posts, the library will pay for energy for twice the operating hours. Is the new building with 4 exterior walle, high ceilings and big windows, really going to be 3x as energy efficient?
Seems unlikely.
Guest
Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2011, 2:06 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
I think a new energy efficient building could cost less to run that
a building built in 1969.
Guest
Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2011, 1:12 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
Guest wrote:
Did anyone on the schoolboard raise concerns about losing a $60,000 per year tennant? That is about the cost of a teacher's salary.
Guest wrote:
In regards to the costs, the rental of 60,000 dollars or so is just for the added expense of having the library open longer hours, summer, having a boiler technician there for those hours...when the library moves out, there would no longer be those costs. IE. no loss for the school.
I find it hard to believe the school will save nearly $60,000 as a direct result of the library moving out.
However, it is also interesting to note that the library thinks the operational costs of their new building will be about the same as their current rent. By your logic, this means they think they can operate a much larger stand alone building for the entire year for the same as it currently costs to keep the library open after school and during the summer.
Something doesn't add up. I believe at least one, and possibly both assertions, are wrong.
Guest
Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2011, 9:42 am EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
Quote:
I've had private conversations with people on the township committee, zoning board and even the library board and none of them believe they will be able to raise over $2.7 million privately. The common assumption is they plan to raise some of the money then use it to renew a push for the Township to help make up the difference. The argument would be the money raised both reduces the burden and demonstrates strong interest in the project which they would characterize as a mandate.
But who knows. They are welcome to try.
I also have had private conversations with these people and they are determined to raise the whole amount....it will benefit the community. As far as the continuing burden, this is simply not true.
The library receives enough money through the appropriation to pay for upkeep of the library.
Guest
Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2011, 9:33 am EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
In regards to the costs, the rental of 60,000 dollars or so is just for the added expense of having the library open longer hours, summer, having a boiler technician there for those hours...when the library moves out, there would no longer be those costs. IE. no loss for the school.
Guest
Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2011, 1:22 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
Did anyone on the schoolboard raise concerns about losing a $60,000 per year tennant? That is about the cost of a teacher's salary.
Guest
Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2011, 12:17 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
When will the "Nothing is too good for my child" types give us a break?
This has nothing to do with catering to the children. In fact, it is the opposite. Some of the library people find your precious children to be a nuisance. That is why they want to move out of the school instead of expanding the space they're in.
Exactly. A vast majority of the parents I know are happy with the current shared library. It is the people who don't like sharing with the kids who are the core supporters.
Guest
Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2011, 11:48 am EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
Guest wrote:
When will the "Nothing is too good for my child" types give us a break?
This has nothing to do with catering to the children. In fact, it is the opposite. Some of the library people find your precious children to be a nuisance. That is why they want to move out of the school instead of expanding the space they're in.
Guest
Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2011, 10:53 am EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
Guest wrote:
The voters would be voting on the township allowing dedication of the land for the building as well as assumng the future upkeep liabilty for the taxpayers--- FOREVER. I don't believe that
the Library Board can just start building without the consent of The Committee. This entire process should go through the same approval process any other resident has had to go through even for the smallest improvement to their property. I do however have a real concern with the less than arms length association of many of the participants in this project.
I don't think anyone has suggested they can "just build" without approvals.
Guest
Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2011, 8:59 am EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district
The voters would be voting on the township allowing dedication of the land for the building as well as assumng the future upkeep liabilty for the taxpayers--- FOREVER. I don't believe that
the Library Board can just start building without the consent of The Committee. This entire process should go through the same approval process any other resident has had to go through even for the smallest improvement to their property. I do however have a real concern with the less than arms length association of many of the participants in this project.