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[quote="anon-npo2"]The rent paid to the school is more a reimbursement of expenses. $30,000.00 is for the specially licensed custodian who has to be on duty while the library is open and the school is not. The other $30,000.00 is for utilities used when the libraryl is open and the school is not. In other words, when the public library moves out, those expenses go away. No loss to the school. About other costs: in past years, the school was not able to spend all they had budgeted for their school library due to lack of space. The school may decide to spend more because the school library does not meet NJ standards. The school owns about half of the children's books. They have their own computers, furniture, staff.[/quote]
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school tax-0482
Posted: Tue, Mar 17 2015, 8:55 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
The school wants the library to leave? I hope the school is ready to pay for the new library then I guess our school taxes will be going way up soon
anon-sp0n
Posted: Tue, Mar 17 2015, 2:55 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
School-o537 wrote:
Since the late 1960s, the Public Library has shared a small space with the Cranbury School Library, an arrangement that worked 40 years ago, but no longer meets the needs of the community or the school, according to a press release from the library fund-raising committee.
Does the school endorse this? if so maybe the school should pay for the new library.
That would just be taxpayer money from a different line item. Any suggestion of taxpayer money should be put to a full public, and not just TV or School Board, vote.
School-o537
Posted: Mon, Mar 16 2015, 8:09 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
Since the late 1960s, the Public Library has shared a small space with the Cranbury School Library, an arrangement that worked 40 years ago, but no longer meets the needs of the community or the school, according to a press release from the library fund-raising committee.
Does the school endorse this? if so maybe the school should pay for the new library.
anon-4rq4
Posted: Mon, Mar 16 2015, 7:33 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
anon-0o99 wrote:
Kirstie Venanzi, President, Cranbury Public Library Board of Trustees
Lack of space:
Library Consultant Karen Avenick in her Cranbury Public Library Assessment April 2008 page 7 states “The residents of Cranbury desire and deserve excellent library services. It is extremely difficult for the [public] library to provide such services in cramped and shared spaces that are not designed for efficiency and effectiveness. The space affects what can be offered to Cranbury residents, as well as the way that they are offered, therefore, the Cranbury Public Library needs and deserves more space to offer excellent customer service to its residents.”
I suppose we should take comfort knowing that when you pay a library consultant $25,000 to tell you that you need a new library, she tells you that you need a new library. Otherwise, this quote from Ms, Avenick is nothing more than poorly written unsubstantiated dribble.
anon-npo2
Posted: Sun, Mar 15 2015, 12:47 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
It did go down about 10,000.00. The rent is adjusted annually.
anon-p22o
Posted: Sun, Mar 15 2015, 10:15 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
anon-npo2 wrote:
The rent paid to the school is more a reimbursement of expenses. $30,000.00 is for the specially licensed custodian who has to be on duty while the library is open and the school is not.
The other $30,000.00 is for utilities used when the libraryl is open and the school is not. In other words, when the public library moves out, those expenses go away. No loss to the school.
About other costs: in past years, the school was not able to spend all they had budgeted for their school library due to lack of space. The school may decide to spend more because the school library does not meet NJ standards.
The school owns about half of the children's books. They have their own computers, furniture, staff.
So how come the library payment to the school did not go down substantially when the library cut after school and Sunday hours?
anon-npo2
Posted: Sun, Mar 15 2015, 8:01 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
The rent paid to the school is more a reimbursement of expenses. $30,000.00 is for the specially licensed custodian who has to be on duty while the library is open and the school is not.
The other $30,000.00 is for utilities used when the libraryl is open and the school is not. In other words, when the public library moves out, those expenses go away. No loss to the school.
About other costs: in past years, the school was not able to spend all they had budgeted for their school library due to lack of space. The school may decide to spend more because the school library does not meet NJ standards.
The school owns about half of the children's books. They have their own computers, furniture, staff.
anon-052s
Posted: Sat, Mar 14 2015, 10:28 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
anon-4p81 wrote:
Will there be a negative budget impact to the school if the library moves out? Is the Community Library subsidizing the School Library in any way? Who owns the books, computers, etc?
Long term it is mathematically impossible for 2 libraries to cost the same as one library, IMHO.
Yes. The school will lose about $60,000 per year in rent, plus whatever additional resources will need to be purchased.
anon-4p81
Posted: Sat, Mar 14 2015, 4:59 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
Will there be a negative budget impact to the school if the library moves out? Is the Community Library subsidizing the School Library in any way? Who owns the books, computers, etc?
Long term it is mathematically impossible for 2 libraries to cost the same as one library, IMHO.
anon-0o99
Posted: Sat, Mar 14 2015, 12:30 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
*Can't build a second story - school building will not support it.
*Can't digitize all non-fiction books - copyright laws
*There are two libraries existing in the same space
*Master Plan has had separate library in plans for over 30 years
*We should applaud this group who are getting this done, if at no additional cost to the taxpayer, very little.
Written in the Cranbury Public Library on the public computers.
anon-4rs9
Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2015, 5:27 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
These various ideas about renovations all have merit. However, they share one fatal flaw in the eyes of the library board... They don't want to build a new library to get more space , they want to build a new library to get their own space. They think that sharing space with your kids is annoying and they want us to give them millions of dollars so they won't have to deal with those noisy brats anymore.
SOL
anon-0qqn
Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2015, 9:56 am EDT
Post subject: Renovate the Library
How about a second floor with elevator ? Reworking the space is also a great idea. The school has several computer rooms that were created from empty class rooms. Why can't the two large library class rooms be relocated into the school ? Class sizes are down and several class rooms are not being used.
It would be great to see a cost study prepared (with some of the earmarked funds) to determine if it was possible to renovate and add to the existing library to meet future needs. There may be enough funds in place already to accomplish goals set forth.
anon-p1o3
Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2015, 7:47 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
m.a. buonarotti-51nq wrote:
Why not just add on to the exisiting library? It wouldnt be easy, but it would cost MUCH less than building a new one.......no? I like the idea of the school kids having access to a library. It may help them to read more.
Good idea. The current footprint of the library is about 1500 square feet larger than the interior space. If the library needs more space, they could add a wall to the existing footprint, similar to a closed in porch.
Also, look around the library the next time you are there. There are a number of ways the existing space could be used more effectively.
Imagine how nice our current library could be if the Library board spent some of the $600,000 of tax money on renovations, instead of siphoning that money off to the construction fund!
Save Our Library!
anon-257q
Posted: Thu, Mar 12 2015, 6:44 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
Perrine Lane-0o99 wrote:
anon-0o99 wrote:
Kirstie Venanzi, President, Cranbury Public Library Board of Trustees
Our usage numbers are compiled every day and they fluctuate. The school students are not included in these number, nor is the mailman. If you would like more information on how these numbers are compiled, please stop by the library.
My neighbor works in the library. She told me how the patrons were counted.
The compilation is : number from electronic door counter divided by 2.
If that is incorrect, have Mrs. Kafasis post the formula here or on the library website.
If this is true then it does count the mailman and students, etc.
Perrine Lane-0o99
Posted: Thu, Mar 12 2015, 1:14 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
anon-0o99 wrote:
Kirstie Venanzi, President, Cranbury Public Library Board of Trustees
Our usage numbers are compiled every day and they fluctuate. The school students are not included in these number, nor is the mailman. If you would like more information on how these numbers are compiled, please stop by the library.
My neighbor works in the library. She told me how the patrons were counted.
The compilation is : number from electronic door counter divided by 2.
If that is incorrect, have Mrs. Kafasis post the formula here or on the library website.
anon-p280
Posted: Tue, Mar 10 2015, 3:41 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Library Space Constraints: Fact or Fiction?
anon-7642 wrote:
Cranbury Library is closed on Sundays. Is this to save money? If so, will there be money to have the library open on Sundays?
While I am all for having a new free-standing library with a community space in town, if we don't have the funds to keep it open on Sundays, then I would say, don't bother.
Short answer: No. If anything the new library will have less money for additional operating hours and the incremental costs of adding hours will increase vs. the current library.
Incidentally, the current library could create more space for patrons by digitizing more of the non-fiction resources and giving back some of the space behind the front desk.
Save Our Library!