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PostPosted: Sat, Jul 23 2011, 10:26 am EDT    Post subject: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

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CRANBURY — Even though the plans for a new public library in Cranbury are only in the beginning stages, the library’s board of trustees and foundation are saying now is the time to begin the dialogue on how the new library will be built.

The public library’s director, board of trustees president and the Cranbury Public Library Foundation presented the plans for the future library at the Cranbury Board of Education meeting Tuesday “to be completely transparent,” said Kirstie Venanzi, president of the library board.

Allan Kehrt, architect for the project and chairman of the Cranbury Planning Board, said the township’s new Master Plan, revised last December, designated a spot for the library across the parking lot from the school.

”This past year, we did fairly substantial revisions,” he said. “Part of that dealt with (the library) site.”
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PostPosted: Sat, Jul 23 2011, 11:48 am EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

Boders closed all their stores.

"Amazon.com customers are now purchasing more Kindle books than all print books -- hardcover and paperback -- combined."

iPad and Nook e-book readers are popular.

Eventually on-line, virtual libraries will replace physical libraries to save cost and offer 24/7 convenience.
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PostPosted: Sat, Jul 23 2011, 1:52 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

Cranbury library zealots won't let this go. The town doesn't need a new library, yet they continue to pursue.
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PostPosted: Sat, Jul 23 2011, 6:33 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

Explain why public libraries nation-wide are busier than every?
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PostPosted: Sat, Jul 23 2011, 7:21 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

I have no doubt they are. However, I think it's less a function of checking books out then other services. As such, does our town really need a stand alone library? We are even able to borrow books for our digital readers.
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PostPosted: Sat, Jul 23 2011, 7:28 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

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Explain why public libraries nation-wide are busier than every?


Free Internet access.
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PostPosted: Sat, Jul 23 2011, 10:11 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

Doesn't "Architect for the project and Planning Board Chairman" send any Red Flags to anyone? This library project is another example of a select few spending the money of the rest of us for another Ballfield fiasco. We will be saddled with the perpetual maintenace and other personnel costs forever. Remember "we just want a ballfield" that turned into $900,000.00.plus and has annual costs forever. Now we need a $90,000. irrigation well - now we need a scoreboard $20,000. and will eventually need night lighting and on and on and on! Why not just use the new 14 million dollar Plainsboro library? When will the "Nothing is too good for my child" types give us a break? This back door deal should be put to the voters. It is flat out wrong for a select few of the "we want it all club" to spend everyone elses hard earned $$$$$!
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PostPosted: Sat, Jul 23 2011, 11:17 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

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Doesn't "Architect for the project and Planning Board Chairman" send any Red Flags to anyone? This library project is another example of a select few spending the money of the rest of us for another Ballfield fiasco. We will be saddled with the perpetual maintenace and other personnel costs forever. Remember "we just want a ballfield" that turned into $900,000.00.plus and has annual costs forever. Now we need a $90,000. irrigation well - now we need a scoreboard $20,000. and will eventually need night lighting and on and on and on! Why not just use the new 14 million dollar Plainsboro library? When will the "Nothing is too good for my child" types give us a break? This back door deal should be put to the voters. It is flat out wrong for a select few of the "we want it all club" to spend everyone elses hard earned $$$$$!


What exactly would "the voters" be voting on? I thought they were trying to build this with private funds.
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 24 2011, 12:36 am EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

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Doesn't "Architect for the project and Planning Board Chairman" send any Red Flags to anyone? This library project is another example of a select few spending the money of the rest of us for another Ballfield fiasco. We will be saddled with the perpetual maintenace and other personnel costs forever. Remember "we just want a ballfield" that turned into $900,000.00.plus and has annual costs forever. Now we need a $90,000. irrigation well - now we need a scoreboard $20,000. and will eventually need night lighting and on and on and on! Why not just use the new 14 million dollar Plainsboro library? When will the "Nothing is too good for my child" types give us a break? This back door deal should be put to the voters. It is flat out wrong for a select few of the "we want it all club" to spend everyone elses hard earned $$$$$!


What exactly would "the voters" be voting on? I thought they were trying to build this with private funds.


I've had private conversations with people on the township committee, zoning board and even the library board and none of them believe they will be able to raise over $2.7 million privately. The common assumption is they plan to raise some of the money then use it to renew a push for the Township to help make up the difference. The argument would be the money raised both reduces the burden and demonstrates strong interest in the project which they would characterize as a mandate.

But who knows. They are welcome to try.
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 24 2011, 8:59 am EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

The voters would be voting on the township allowing dedication of the land for the building as well as assumng the future upkeep liabilty for the taxpayers--- FOREVER. I don't believe that
the Library Board can just start building without the consent of The Committee. This entire process should go through the same approval process any other resident has had to go through even for the smallest improvement to their property. I do however have a real concern with the less than arms length association of many of the participants in this project.
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 24 2011, 10:53 am EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

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The voters would be voting on the township allowing dedication of the land for the building as well as assumng the future upkeep liabilty for the taxpayers--- FOREVER. I don't believe that
the Library Board can just start building without the consent of The Committee. This entire process should go through the same approval process any other resident has had to go through even for the smallest improvement to their property. I do however have a real concern with the less than arms length association of many of the participants in this project.


I don't think anyone has suggested they can "just build" without approvals.
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 24 2011, 11:48 am EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

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When will the "Nothing is too good for my child" types give us a break?


This has nothing to do with catering to the children. In fact, it is the opposite. Some of the library people find your precious children to be a nuisance. That is why they want to move out of the school instead of expanding the space they're in.
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 24 2011, 12:17 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

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When will the "Nothing is too good for my child" types give us a break?


This has nothing to do with catering to the children. In fact, it is the opposite. Some of the library people find your precious children to be a nuisance. That is why they want to move out of the school instead of expanding the space they're in.


Exactly. A vast majority of the parents I know are happy with the current shared library. It is the people who don't like sharing with the kids who are the core supporters.
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 24 2011, 1:22 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

Did anyone on the schoolboard raise concerns about losing a $60,000 per year tennant? That is about the cost of a teacher's salary.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 25 2011, 9:33 am EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

In regards to the costs, the rental of 60,000 dollars or so is just for the added expense of having the library open longer hours, summer, having a boiler technician there for those hours...when the library moves out, there would no longer be those costs. IE. no loss for the school.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 25 2011, 9:42 am EDT    Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: Library presents plans to district Reply with quote

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I've had private conversations with people on the township committee, zoning board and even the library board and none of them believe they will be able to raise over $2.7 million privately. The common assumption is they plan to raise some of the money then use it to renew a push for the Township to help make up the difference. The argument would be the money raised both reduces the burden and demonstrates strong interest in the project which they would characterize as a mandate.

But who knows. They are welcome to try.


I also have had private conversations with these people and they are determined to raise the whole amount....it will benefit the community. As far as the continuing burden, this is simply not true.
The library receives enough money through the appropriation to pay for upkeep of the library.
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